You do plan and organise at an amazing speed!! lol No...I had never heard of it. One of the first recipes was by Paula Deen.....was she the one you got me to google before??? ILOL It looks nice - do you have it as a side to the chilli? I like soured cream on mine :-)
Sorry to jump in but I loved the Sixth Sense......I sooo didn't see that coming! it is unusual for me to be taken by surprise with films - I drive my family nuts but that - no way LOL
It's watching them all on youtube once we start talking about them that does me!!!! Forget Shawn Cassidy.... DAVID Cassidy!! OMG DAVID ESSEX!!!! Did he reach you??
I can accept your oddities and still call you 'friend' LOL David Essex may have been a few years too early for you or he may never have 'made it' in the states. We had our own pop stars and TV programmes a bit more back in the good old days LOL We are very 'Americanised' now, particularly our telly!!! :p
Seriously? Just one?? At the moment I suppose it would be The Big Bang Theory but they are constantly showing repeats so it's getting a little wearing now. I like Graham Norton but keep forgetting to watch it !! Robbie Williams was on Friday before last and apparently it was great. Have to catch up on this series on the pc
yeah, that's the only one so far. and TBBT is one of my favs too. I do love Sons of Anarchy though. Lots of bad men with tatts and attitude. There's so much crap on television. All these reality shows ... even the talent shows are crap as far as I'm concerned. I'd much rather be reading a good book or smut-filled fan fiction. ;D
Do you get many of our programmes over there? I assume you get Dr Who cos Sheldon watches it LOL I haven't watched Sons of Anarchy. I don't tend to watch a lot these days either. Some of the reason can be blamed on this blog as well as the crap that is on lol. I don't watch the reality shows - Can't stand Big Brother. Don't like the talent shows - they are such a fix !!! Oh yes, Jen ~ I know about you and your smut-filled fan faction :p I have one to read still :-) but have only just finished Mission:Blacklist or Capturing Saddam as it now called !!
BBC. Hate reality shows. and yeah, the talent shows are a joke. my son's ex gf tried out for a well known one and was turned down. she has signed with a label now. incredibly talented and passed over for a guy with a purple stocking stretched halfway down his body who put on more of a 'dumbass show' than showcasing any talent at all. I'm reading a period ff now...set in the time of 'Bloody' Mary of Tudor. It's not chock full of lemons, but I can't stop reading. I love a good period piece almost as much as smut! :P
Oh come on, get it over with...bring on the big guns LOL It's that Lotte's fault !!! She thinks I should change my name to studmuffinsmurf - the name I gave to Rob when he first had the little blue beanie hat that left the peak, the one he wore with the logo on the back.......then the side LOL and now blackbeanie thinks I should too! It isn't my fault ;p We wouldn't know if we were talking to a Murray and not a Maria you know!! Do you know what I mean?? LOL
Horror movies didn't do it that much to me, I mean with monsters and blood, but suspense thrillers, my god. I looked at TV from behind my hands, covering my eyes each time I couldn't bare the tension. And I can totally imagine myself walking up the stairs with my back to the wall. Hitchcock was a real master of suspense but there were others who were really good too.
Oh dear BBC not always worth watching. That bloody Simon Cowell - my daughter was on BGT in the semi-finals - he thinks he can change the rules as he goes along and brought back another dancer into the semi final that had been voted out.! They were beaten by a singing dog with an obnoxious owner and terrible friends in the row in front of us in the theatre!! LOL I went through a phase of period pieces long ago. Have recently got into greek myths and demi-gods.
I guessed it fairly quickly, it was what the boy saw gave me the creeps, especially when he was in the tent! I'm not going to sleep tonight - maybe I will stay up and watch the premiere!
I think this young woman has a facebook page to check out ... I'll have to go look and right now, I really wanna watch something else! if you know what I mean :P lol
I know piercing eyes and unruly hair lol......maybe a theme going on here !!!!...........yes though I don't watch it plus I don't think he's got much hair now lol
I don't know. I have to be in work by eight tomorrow, so I can't stay up :(( Anyway, have to catch up on sleep to get myself prepared for Thursday and the Twiathlon :)).
What a thought....what attracts us as teenagers comes back with a vengeance!!! I don't watch it either but I was called to look at an episode a while ago lol
I only had a couple of hours last night as not well and came home from work early tonight and slept for an hour but I don't think that will cover it do you? LOL Have to prepare for Thursday too ~ It isn't Thursday that's the problem, its getting up on Friday morning and into work after sitting in a cinema all afternoon, evening and night the day before!
On the whole it doesn't take much LOL bit bleary today though. Can't do text speak the non-English speakers would struggle I imagine and we, on opposite sides of the pond, may have different abbreviations.....could be interesting ;p You waiting for the premiere? I intend to but still have an hour to go The twilight 'twitter' stars are popping up now all excited apparently LOL
I know - I have warned my boss (she thinks I'm raving mad), and I probably won't get into work until 9 instead of 8, but I'm planning a quiet day (no appointments) on Friday so hopefully will get through it. Can't wait though. Off to bed now - goodnight ZZZZzzzzzz......
He was a singer and actor! Did you ever go see his films?
He had his own style of dress too LOL I've just played a clip of him singing hold me close from 1975- waistcoat with no shirt just hairy chest and a handkerchief round his neck - the Romany influence LOL
Book thrillers? I can't tell, I've read so many and in between I read more real literature. I like the psychological thrillers more than the hard boiled (right sp?). The first books of inspector Lynley and Barbara Havers were good, before the books became too thick. I've read a lot of thrillers, located in London with Scotland Yard and so, also a lot of American ones but I have forgotten most of the titles and authors. Thrillers about serial killers are often good. The past few years I've read less, you can guess why LOL
I remember when Hold Me close was out and watching it on TOTP lol I would have been 12 !!!!!........i have seen That'll Be the Day and stardust but a while ago but he was also in Evita I think in the west end when it first opened, the song he had was Oh What A Circus :)
A few years ago I read a few of the Patricia Cornwell books - the main character is a coroner who teams up with a detective - they were good. I read pretty much anything to be honest ! I can guess and it has slowed my reading by quite a bit too LOL
Oh I'm a whizz.....had the telly on until 10 minutes ago too!! If I slow down now I'll be a gonna !! Let's put this into perspective here shall we.........the brat set me up to follow the twilight cast (!!) I have her and one other from here ;-) so not too taxing LOL OH AND one 'OTHER' LMAO. I asked if it was automatic that if you follow they follow and apparently not! HUH??
I didn't go to the cinema much because we lived in a villiage with not much transport started going more from about 14 when we moved into the town where I live now !!! I didn't see Evita either !!
I like Bones! I like David Boreanaz too. Loved Angel...specially the music at the beginning LOL My friend got me into those books but that was a few years ago now. Did she write about other characters than Bones? - the name is very familiar.
Oh deary me......flagging here - that better not have any other connotations!!!!!! yawning like mad and eyes watering :-( watching Graham Norton to boost me LOL
I intended to stay twitterless too but the brat intervened LOL ROBsessed popped up as I am typing to say to watch the premiere here :-) The other following me was your suggestion ;p You may be twitterless but you will get to hear about it !!!!
yeah I so agree with everything you said it deserved a much better marketing system and the thing is he does not make it easy on us at all too see his films (the twilight saga excluded) I wish he could at least once in a while do a movie that can open nationwide at the theater that I go too if it is'nt opened nation wide then forget it ya might as well wait til it comes out on DVD and it should have been opening in more theaters but sadly it being a indie movie they can't do that now Water For Elephants I got too see multiple times Remember Me I was lucky too see it twice and those are the only flims (outside of the saga) that I got too see that were not indie and that was amazing and again I HATE it that I may have too wait til it comes out on DVD for each of his films that he does I won't be able too see it in theater at all so if I want to see Rover and whatever else I will have too wait til comes out on DVD *side too Rob* ya don't make ti easy and it SUCKS BALLS and I really wish he would do a film that can open nationwide like I said :/
at least once in a while throws us bone here! LOL but seriously he does not make it easy and how are we susposed to support his work if he keeps making indie films and also the only we can do that is wait til everything comes out on dvd unfortunately :(
It seems that we cannot meet here at the same time! ;) Ok, first of all, I tried to figure out what means the motto of the book/movie: "a rat became the unit of currency". It's part of the poem of the Polish poet Zbigniew Herbert's "Report from the Besieged City" (one of the two Polish connections - Sobieski Vodka which Mr Packer drinks is the second one). LOL Poem directly refers to the period of martial law in Poland. However the motto of the book/movie has a little in common with it, isn't it? So what is this rat? What do you think? Take your time :) Ok, I can't focus right now. I'm watching livestream of the BD2 premiere and I'm waiting for Rob. I must think about an answer to the above question... LOL
Hey Alex, i watched the live stream too ;-) Better than the LA one,,,,but you know it is Europe too ;-)))))
Anyway concerning a rat becoming the unit of currency.....This is how I interpret it, money is degraded ( the yen) in this film because Eric buys and buys and its worth gets lower and lower, the more he buys.Rats are generally not worth alot but there are alot of them, so why not let the rat which is worth nothing(but there are tons of it)kind of like the yen, there is alot (from what Eric buys) but it is not worth anything in the end. SOOOO ...Rat= Yen/ money, alot of it ( Eric has alot of money to buy with, there are alot of rats, but none of it is worth anything ..;-) I have NO idea if this makes any sense, but this is the way i understood it .
Hello, Lotte! :)))) I can’t compare the premieres, because I didn’t watch the LA livestream. I wasn’t home. Same today – I’ve just back home :(. Well, I needed a haircut! LOL As you can see, it’s very appropriate to the situation here. ;) Of course your words make sense! Damn, now it will be hard to say what I want to say in English… I like your idea that the rat as the currency means that the money doesn't have (such)value anymore in nowadays and (like rats) brings chaos. Eric Packer (using money) brings chaos by trying to destabilize the economy by investing more and more in yen (today only, I discovered that in book it was the Japanese Yen and in the film it was replaced by Chinese Yuan; I wonder why). And here we come to the next stage. In this whole chaotic world Eric Packer is a very orderly person who acts according to certain rules, and he expected that the these rules will be respected. Unexpected, yen's price continues growth and it's not compatible with the rules of the market and Eric can't explain in any way why the yen is behaving in such an unusual way. In my personal opinion, this what simply started as attempt to destabilize the financial market has changed into the private war Packer - yen. The question is who capitulates first - Erick runs out of money and won't be able to continue to buy yen or yen will finally give up and the price will decrease according to the laws of the market. Does it have any sense to you, Lotte? Have a good night *sends a kiss*
Hi Alex, I would very much like to join in to this conversation but am not in the right state of mind today... just a short notice: Cronenberg changed the Yen to Yuan because the financial market has changed since the book was written and the Yuan and its relevance much more fits to the current situation on the financial market. And I think the main gift Eric has one of the important gifts that Eric has is that he can kind of "sense" the patterns of market developements. Until the rise of the Yuan, where his ability doesn´t work anymore - maybe a picture for the desorientation of his inner psyche - he cannot read himself either.....
Hi, Whence :-) You can join the conversation at any time. This talk will take a few more days at least! Thank you for the explanation of why the yen bacame the yuan. I didn't know that.
So did you have half a haircut or a whole one LOL ?? You explained it so well Alex, much much better than me :-) , I am glad that you like my interpretation of the value of money and bringing chaos ! Considering Erics rules, I think you are totally right about that and I believe that he has some sort of mental disorder ( he is obssesed with numbers, things in pairs,everything needs to be in "boxes" so to say, nothing can be unforeseen, which is what he actually strives after during the film, how strange it might seem...I will leave you with that to think of , and we can carry on, I need to ZZZZZ :-D Hugs from here...
Last word....he is trying to make himself FEEL....and needs to go to extremes just to sense it just a tiny bit , and this is also really weird because it makes me think, wether he has sociopath or psychopath traces, lack of emapathy, lack of social responsibility or urge...ZZZZZ
Hello Lotte :-) I'm late again and it happens too often recently... As for my haircut, I didn't walk out in the middle, so it's okay. LOL It was time for a change - I cut the majority of my long hair. I feel lighter now!
Ok, "Nothing can be unforeseen" - you are absolutely right. I personally think it has a lot to do with his childhood. His barber says about Eric's father, who died unexpectedly when Eric was 5 years old. Perhaps it formed him, perhaps the sudden death of his father, whom he loved (which you can read between the lines) was a traumatic experience for him, deprived him of his sense of security. Visits to the same barber since childhood are a form of keeping up semblance of immutability, keeping a little bit of his childhood, when he came to the salon with his father. Now he wants to control everything and everyone, he wants to make things happen in accordance with his expectations. This causes that Eric Packer isn't a nice man. He's arrogant, self-confident man who gets everything he wants - no matter the cost. I also think that it is somewhat tiring for him. He is a prisoner of himself. Maybe he's not afraid to die, because death would be a liberation for him?
I don't know if it makes any sense to you, but I try to explain it as best as I can.
P.S. I'm very, very tired and sleepy right know so I don't know what I'm talking about! LOL *hugs and sends kisses*
Alex, what a great analyze of Erics childhood ! Those thoughts have haunted me too knowing the impact that childhood traumas have on people, and I think you are perfectly right about the reason why he acts like he does and that his childhood loss made an enormous impact on him, as it would for anyone.He has made himself a huge barrier between the real life( the one others live) and the world he is living .In that way he can be the controller and make his own decisions, minimizing the unforeseen.
I think Eric is struggling throughout the film to cut himself loose from that sense of control, by going to the extremes physically and mentally, trying to provoke emotions and felings , letting chaos rule. I also think that he knows that death may be the only way out, and if that is the case so be it, as long as it makes him sense emotions and feel relief... BTW you are making perfectly sense, I hopefully am too ;-))
What you say makes sense and I understand you perfectly. :-D And I agree with you. You're talking about two worlds. I think that both of these worlds are presented in the book/movie. Note, that we analyze everything on one side only. We try to see the man behind his actions and find the motives of his conduct. But the book/movie tells also about the world - presents a picture of the modern world. So telling us about Eric, author/director sells us, by the way, the truth about the modern world. On the one hand, we have Eric’s world reduced to the walls of his limo (in the film is even more emphasized, because all of his meetings are held in a limo; in the book, for example, Eric goes to the house of his mistress), on the second hand - we have the rest of the world behind the windows of the limo. Allegorical parables have it to themselves, that their lack of literality forced us to find our own interpretation. I don’t know how close we are to the truth, but just seeking the truth and trying to understand what the author had in mind, gives me pleasure. Through this conversation, which forces me to thinking [thank you for this, Lotte! :-*], (I think) I understand better what the author wanted to write in his book/what the director wanted to tell in his movie. To me it makes sense and I think that's it, isn’t it?
Thank you very, very much for this conversation, because a lot of things just make sense to me when I read your responses and when I'm trying to write you what I think. *hugs you tight*
Dearest Alex, You are so welcome..;-))))I am enjoying our dispute very much too ! I find you very very well articulated in English, and you are certainly a very deep thinker and analyzer :-D It is great to be pushed in a good way into areas you might not be in touch with on a every day basis.I find the book and story very very interesting as there are so many levels in it, and it is so intresting how people percieve it...But it seems like we both have understood it in the same way, and I think your analysis has also helpedme put some things straight :-D A real pleasure for me too, and lets carry on with this in the future too !
Thank you :-D We had a lot of fun, and it is mindblowing to discuss a film like Cosmopolis, not really knowing what the author actually meant , but also all the parralels you can make to the world/life how it is, and to the life of Packer in his "bubble" :-) Hope youre good ? Talk to you tomorrow night ;-)ZZZZ
Ah Whence, I wish you the best for your soul and that you will let me know if there is anything I can do...... Sending positive vibes and good karma (as always ;-), your way :-)
So now you know why I delayed seeing Cosmopolis ;) I have a scientific mind - I like it when everything fits together and has a logical explanation. Of course I know that not everything can be explained and certain things I must take for granted, without further analysis. But it's a pleasure to look for explanations in the company of people like You. I really hope that we will continue this kind of conversation in the future! :-D
Hello, Whence :-) The pleasure is all mine, believe me. Oh, I miss you all, because I can't spend here recently as much time as I want. Ok, maybe if I stopped sleeping...
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No...I had never heard of it. One of the first recipes was by Paula Deen.....was she the one you got me to google before??? ILOL
It looks nice - do you have it as a side to the chilli? I like soured cream on mine :-)
Sorry to jump in but I loved the Sixth Sense......I sooo didn't see that coming! it is unusual for me to be taken by surprise with films - I drive my family nuts but that - no way LOL
As a teenager I loved horror films. I always remember walking up the stairs sideways with my back to the wall on my way to bed LOL
Great for us but probably a bit of chore for him lol
watched the Freddy Kruger films as a teen. never got into Jason or Michael. Freddy's the man! lol
It was ... different. But he is a brilliant director though.
I'm not so keen on horrors now though are you? They have to have a really good story to keep me interested now, back then it was the fear factor LOL
so right Maria. funny how what I liked back when I was younger just doesn't appeal to me anymore. growing up or growing old...one or the other.
Oh that's a really good thing believe me!! My family still throw the Bay City Rollers in my face LOL
AHHHHHHHHH!!!! S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y NIGHT! ;D
Not camping this time, leaving that to the others, but I'll be at Leicester Sq by 6am. Enjoy Marcus!
Shang-a-lang!!! LMAO just watched it when that popped in my head...OMG what were we thinking!!!???
LUCKY GIRL!
IKR??? what about Shawn Cassidy, The Bee Gees, Blondie, Air Supply?? lol those were the days! :P
It's watching them all on youtube once we start talking about them that does me!!!! Forget Shawn Cassidy.... DAVID Cassidy!! OMG DAVID ESSEX!!!! Did he reach you??
lol...nope, I was a Shawn fan! and don't know who David Essex is. can you still call me 'friend'? lol
Thanks, studmuffin LOL
I should know that the urban dictionare is much more useful than bing translator concerning this site :))
I can accept your oddities and still call you 'friend' LOL
David Essex may have been a few years too early for you or he may never have 'made it' in the states. We had our own pop stars and TV programmes a bit more back in the good old days LOL We are very 'Americanised' now, particularly our telly!!! :p
:p
It can be useful ! I don't always like what I learn though :-)
what one tv show do you like from America?
personally, I like The Graham Norton show. I love how he has them all out there together. makes it so much fun and very interesting.
Seriously? Just one?? At the moment I suppose it would be The Big Bang Theory but they are constantly showing repeats so it's getting a little wearing now.
I like Graham Norton but keep forgetting to watch it !! Robbie Williams was on Friday before last and apparently it was great. Have to catch up on this series on the pc
yeah, that's the only one so far. and TBBT is one of my favs too. I do love Sons of Anarchy though. Lots of bad men with tatts and attitude. There's so much crap on television. All these reality shows ... even the talent shows are crap as far as I'm concerned. I'd much rather be reading a good book or smut-filled fan fiction. ;D
;D
Do you get many of our programmes over there? I assume you get Dr Who cos Sheldon watches it LOL I haven't watched Sons of Anarchy. I don't tend to watch a lot these days either. Some of the reason can be blamed on this blog as well as the crap that is on lol. I don't watch the reality shows - Can't stand Big Brother. Don't like the talent shows - they are such a fix !!!
Oh yes, Jen ~ I know about you and your smut-filled fan faction :p I have one to read still :-) but have only just finished Mission:Blacklist or Capturing Saddam as it now called !!
Stud what..muffin??? And why are you referring to yourself in such a fashion...is there something you want to tell us Murray ...oh I mean Maria?
BBC. Hate reality shows. and yeah, the talent shows are a joke. my son's ex gf tried out for a well known one and was turned down. she has signed with a label now. incredibly talented and passed over for a guy with a purple stocking stretched halfway down his body who put on more of a 'dumbass show' than showcasing any talent at all. I'm reading a period ff now...set in the time of 'Bloody' Mary of Tudor. It's not chock full of lemons, but I can't stop reading. I love a good period piece almost as much as smut! :P
Oh come on, get it over with...bring on the big guns LOL
It's that Lotte's fault !!! She thinks I should change my name to studmuffinsmurf - the name I gave to Rob when he first had the little blue beanie hat that left the peak, the one he wore with the logo on the back.......then the side LOL and now blackbeanie thinks I should too! It isn't my fault ;p
We wouldn't know if we were talking to a Murray and not a Maria you know!! Do you know what I mean?? LOL
Horror movies didn't do it that much to me, I mean with monsters and blood, but suspense thrillers, my god. I looked at TV from behind my hands, covering my eyes each time I couldn't bare the tension. And I can totally imagine myself walking up the stairs with my back to the wall. Hitchcock was a real master of suspense but there were others who were really good too.
Definitely, but everyone has an off-day !
I loved David Essex !!
Oh dear BBC not always worth watching. That bloody Simon Cowell - my daughter was on BGT in the semi-finals - he thinks he can change the rules as he goes along and brought back another dancer into the semi final that had been voted out.! They were beaten by a singing dog with an obnoxious owner and terrible friends in the row in front of us in the theatre!! LOL
I went through a phase of period pieces long ago. Have recently got into greek myths and demi-gods.
lmao ... okay okay! don't get your knickers in a bunch! :D
I guessed it fairly quickly, it was what the boy saw gave me the creeps, especially when he was in the tent! I'm not going to sleep tonight - maybe I will stay up and watch the premiere!
I think this young woman has a facebook page to check out ... I'll have to go look and right now, I really wanna watch something else! if you know what I mean :P lol
As a teenager I like Dennis Wheatley books for a while which were mainly occult based. I remember watching a few of the films of them on TV.
Oh so did I :-) He was so smiley and sexy! And those eyes! He aged well too! He's in Eastenders or something now isn't he?
Well b y all means lets make it three for three!
But that is one hell of a mouthful can we shorten it to SMS without copyright infringement?
The boy was so good - it was seriously creepy.
The start time isn't a problem but how long is it going to be on for??
I know piercing eyes and unruly hair lol......maybe a theme going on here !!!!...........yes though I don't watch it plus I don't think he's got much hair now lol
Never heard of him, I'm a thriller fan.
Erm.....who? what?
Haha - lets hope one day Rob will do a MNS film, that would be great :))
Been reading your recommendation (The List) to help me stay awake lol.........Though not sure it was a good idea now what with seeing Rob later ;) LOL
I don't know. I have to be in work by eight tomorrow, so I can't stay up :(( Anyway, have to catch up on sleep to get myself prepared for Thursday and the Twiathlon :)).
You don't HAVE to join them you know!!!
Even saying S...M....S takes longer than my name ;p
mayb we shud txt spk on here ~ go with the theme LOL
LOL...whatever puts a smile on your face!
What a thought....what attracts us as teenagers comes back with a vengeance!!!
I don't watch it either but I was called to look at an episode a while ago lol
They were spooky scarey. What is your favourite thriller?
I'd never really thought about it before......but you could be right !!!
I only had a couple of hours last night as not well and came home from work early tonight and slept for an hour but I don't think that will cover it do you? LOL Have to prepare for Thursday too ~ It isn't Thursday that's the problem, its getting up on Friday morning and into work after sitting in a cinema all afternoon, evening and night the day before!
On the whole it doesn't take much LOL bit bleary today though.
Can't do text speak the non-English speakers would struggle I imagine and we, on opposite sides of the pond, may have different abbreviations.....could be interesting ;p
You waiting for the premiere? I intend to but still have an hour to go
The twilight 'twitter' stars are popping up now all excited apparently LOL
I know - I have warned my boss (she thinks I'm raving mad), and I probably won't get into work until 9 instead of 8, but I'm planning a quiet day (no appointments) on Friday so hopefully will get through it. Can't wait though. Off to bed now - goodnight ZZZZzzzzzz......
He was a singer and actor! Did you ever go see his films?
He had his own style of dress too LOL I've just played a clip of him singing hold me close from 1975- waistcoat with no shirt just hairy chest and a handkerchief round his neck - the Romany influence LOL
So does mine LOL
get in those ZZZZZZZZZZZZs
Book thrillers? I can't tell, I've read so many and in between I read more real literature. I like the psychological thrillers more than the hard boiled (right sp?). The first books of inspector Lynley and Barbara Havers were good, before the books became too thick. I've read a lot of thrillers, located in London with Scotland Yard and so, also a lot of American ones but I have forgotten most of the titles and authors. Thrillers about serial killers are often good. The past few years I've read less, you can guess why LOL
I remember when Hold Me close was out and watching it on TOTP lol I would have been 12 !!!!!........i have seen That'll Be the Day and stardust but a while ago but he was also in Evita I think in the west end when it first opened, the song he had was Oh What A Circus :)
A few years ago I read a few of the Patricia Cornwell books - the main character is a coroner who teams up with a detective - they were good. I read pretty much anything to be honest !
I can guess and it has slowed my reading by quite a bit too LOL
Only about 32 minutes now and yes I'm ready. So you are following twititer as well...multitasking!
I was 13!! I went to the cinema to see those films. I didn't see Evita but I did like Oh What A Circus.
Oh I'm a whizz.....had the telly on until 10 minutes ago too!! If I slow down now I'll be a gonna !!
Let's put this into perspective here shall we.........the brat set me up to follow the twilight cast (!!) I have her and one other from here ;-) so not too taxing LOL
OH AND one 'OTHER' LMAO. I asked if it was automatic that if you follow they follow and apparently not! HUH??
I didn't go to the cinema much because we lived in a villiage with not much transport started going more from about 14 when we moved into the town where I live now !!! I didn't see Evita either !!
Try Kathy Reichs she is a forensic anthropologist and author... the character on the TV show Bones is based on a character in her books.
Wasn't Evita later?
I like Bones! I like David Boreanaz too. Loved Angel...specially the music at the beginning LOL
My friend got me into those books but that was a few years ago now. Did she write about other characters than Bones? - the name is very familiar.
Oh deary me......flagging here - that better not have any other connotations!!!!!! yawning like mad and eyes watering :-( watching Graham Norton to boost me LOL
Maria this is where you are on your own. I am twitterless....
yes about 1978 I think !!
I intended to stay twitterless too but the brat intervened LOL
ROBsessed popped up as I am typing to say to watch the premiere here :-)
The other following me was your suggestion ;p
You may be twitterless but you will get to hear about it !!!!
Not much later then :-)
I can't last through all this mindless drivel ;-(
yeah I so agree with everything you said it deserved a much better marketing system and the thing is he does not make it easy on us at all too see his films (the twilight saga excluded) I wish he could at least once in a while do a movie that can open nationwide at the theater that I go too if it is'nt opened nation wide then forget it ya might as well wait til it comes out on DVD and it should have been opening in more theaters but sadly it being a indie movie they can't do that now Water For Elephants I got too see multiple times Remember Me I was lucky too see it twice and those are the only flims (outside of the saga) that I got too see that were not indie and that was amazing and again I HATE it that I may have too wait til it comes out on DVD for each of his films that he does I won't be able too see it in theater at all so if I want to see Rover and whatever else I will have too wait til comes out on DVD *side too Rob* ya don't make ti easy and it SUCKS BALLS and I really wish he would do a film that can open nationwide like I said :/
yeah I know right oh god he does not make it easy that is for sure! and it royally sucks balls big time :(
at least once in a while throws us bone here! LOL but seriously he does not make it easy and how are we susposed to support his work if he keeps making indie films and also the only we can do that is wait til everything comes out on dvd unfortunately :(
it sucks BALLS big time!
I don't hit the share button I just hit reply or like and that's it lol
I don't either it is because these haters have no life and they get bored so when they wake up in morning they think hmmmm who can we insult today
I love it so priceless!
It has been sunny here too cold but sunny and on the 16th thru the 18th(during BD2 weekend) it will be not so warm and not so sunny :(
ha ha ha ha ha haha!!!
Agree!!
It seems that we cannot meet here at the same time! ;)
Ok, first of all, I tried to figure out what means the motto of the book/movie: "a rat became the unit of currency". It's part of the poem of the Polish poet Zbigniew Herbert's "Report from the Besieged City" (one of the two Polish connections - Sobieski Vodka which Mr Packer drinks is the second one). LOL Poem directly refers to the period of martial law in Poland. However the motto of the book/movie has a little in common with it, isn't it? So what is this rat? What do you think? Take your time :)
Ok, I can't focus right now. I'm watching livestream of the BD2 premiere and I'm waiting for Rob. I must think about an answer to the above question... LOL
Hey Alex, i watched the live stream too ;-) Better than the LA one,,,,but you know it is Europe too ;-)))))
Anyway concerning a rat becoming the unit of currency.....This is how I interpret it, money is degraded ( the yen) in this film because Eric buys and buys and its worth gets lower and lower, the more he buys.Rats are generally not worth alot but there are alot of them, so why not let the rat which is worth nothing(but there are tons of it)kind of like the yen, there is alot (from what Eric buys) but it is not worth anything in the end.
SOOOO ...Rat= Yen/ money, alot of it ( Eric has alot of money to buy with, there are alot of rats, but none of it is worth anything ..;-) I have NO idea if this makes any sense, but this is the way i understood it .
Hello, Lotte! :)))) I can’t compare the premieres, because I didn’t watch the LA livestream. I wasn’t home. Same today – I’ve just back home :(. Well, I needed a haircut! LOL As you can see, it’s very appropriate to the situation here. ;)
Of course your words make sense! Damn, now it will be hard to say what I want to say in English…
I like your idea that the rat as the currency means that the money doesn't have (such)value anymore in nowadays and (like rats) brings chaos. Eric Packer (using money) brings chaos by trying to destabilize the economy by investing more and more in yen (today only, I discovered that in book it was the Japanese Yen and in the film it was replaced by Chinese Yuan; I wonder why). And here we come to the next stage. In this whole chaotic world Eric Packer is a very orderly person who acts according to certain rules, and he expected that the these rules will be respected. Unexpected, yen's price continues growth and it's not compatible with the rules of the market and Eric can't explain in any way why the yen is behaving in such an unusual way. In my personal opinion, this what simply started as attempt to destabilize the financial market has changed into the private war Packer - yen. The question is who capitulates first - Erick runs out of money and won't be able to continue to buy yen or yen will finally give up and the price will decrease according to the laws of the market. Does it have any sense to you, Lotte?
Have a good night *sends a kiss*
Hi Alex, I would very much like to join in to this conversation but am not in the right state of mind today... just a short notice: Cronenberg changed the Yen to Yuan because the financial market has changed since the book was written and the Yuan and its relevance much more fits to the current situation on the financial market. And I think the main gift Eric has one of the important gifts that Eric has is that he can kind of "sense" the patterns of market developements. Until the rise of the Yuan, where his ability doesn´t work anymore - maybe a picture for the desorientation of his inner psyche - he cannot read himself either.....
Hi, Whence :-) You can join the conversation at any time. This talk will take a few more days at least! Thank you for the explanation of why the yen bacame the yuan. I didn't know that.
So did you have half a haircut or a whole one LOL ?? You explained it so well Alex, much much better than me :-) , I am glad that you like my interpretation of the value of money and bringing chaos ! Considering Erics rules, I think you are totally right about that and I believe that he has some sort of mental disorder ( he is obssesed with numbers, things in pairs,everything needs to be in "boxes" so to say, nothing can be unforeseen, which is what he actually strives after during the film, how strange it might seem...I will leave you with that to think of , and we can carry on, I need to ZZZZZ :-D
Hugs from here...
Last word....he is trying to make himself FEEL....and needs to go to extremes just to sense it just a tiny bit , and this is also really weird because it makes me think, wether he has sociopath or psychopath traces, lack of emapathy, lack of social responsibility or urge...ZZZZZ
Hello Lotte :-) I'm late again and it happens too often recently... As for my haircut, I didn't walk out in the middle, so it's okay. LOL It was time for a change - I cut the majority of my long hair. I feel lighter now!
Ok, "Nothing can be unforeseen" - you are absolutely right. I personally think it has a lot to do with his childhood. His barber says about Eric's father, who died unexpectedly when Eric was 5 years old. Perhaps it formed him, perhaps the sudden death of his father, whom he loved (which you can read between the lines) was a traumatic experience for him, deprived him of his sense of security. Visits to the same barber since childhood are a form of keeping up semblance of immutability, keeping a little bit of his childhood, when he came to the salon with his father. Now he wants to control everything and everyone, he wants to make things happen in accordance with his expectations. This causes that Eric Packer isn't a nice man. He's arrogant, self-confident man who gets everything he wants - no matter the cost. I also think that it is somewhat tiring for him. He is a prisoner of himself. Maybe he's not afraid to die, because death would be a liberation for him?
I don't know if it makes any sense to you, but I try to explain it as best as I can.
P.S. I'm very, very tired and sleepy right know so I don't know what I'm talking about! LOL *hugs and sends kisses*
Alex, what a great analyze of Erics childhood ! Those thoughts have haunted me too knowing the impact that childhood traumas have on people, and I think you are perfectly right about the reason why he acts like he does and that his childhood loss made an enormous impact on him, as it would for anyone.He has made himself a huge barrier between the real life( the one others live) and the world he is living .In that way he can be the controller and make his own decisions, minimizing the unforeseen.
I think Eric is struggling throughout the film to cut himself loose from that sense of control, by going to the extremes physically and mentally, trying to provoke emotions and felings , letting chaos rule. I also think that he knows that death may be the only way out, and if that is the case so be it, as long as it makes him sense emotions and feel relief... BTW you are making perfectly sense, I hopefully am too ;-))
What you say makes sense and I understand you perfectly. :-D And I agree with you. You're talking about two worlds. I think that both of these worlds are presented in the book/movie. Note, that we analyze everything on one side only. We try to see the man behind his actions and find the motives of his conduct. But the book/movie tells also about the world - presents a picture of the modern world. So telling us about Eric, author/director sells us, by the way, the truth about the modern world. On the one hand, we have Eric’s world reduced to the walls of his limo (in the film is even more emphasized, because all of his meetings are held in a limo; in the book, for example, Eric goes to the house of his mistress), on the second hand - we have the rest of the world behind the windows of the limo. Allegorical parables have it to themselves, that their lack of literality forced us to find our own interpretation. I don’t know how close we are to the truth, but just seeking the truth and trying to understand what the author had in mind, gives me pleasure. Through this conversation, which forces me to thinking [thank you for this, Lotte! :-*], (I think) I understand better what the author wanted to write in his book/what the director wanted to tell in his movie. To me it makes sense and I think that's it, isn’t it?
Thank you very, very much for this conversation, because a lot of things just make sense to me when I read your responses and when I'm trying to write you what I think. *hugs you tight*
Dearest Alex,
You are so welcome..;-))))I am enjoying our dispute very much too ! I find you very very well articulated in English, and you are certainly a very deep thinker and analyzer :-D It is great to be pushed in a good way into areas you might not be in touch with on a every day basis.I find the book and story very very interesting as there are so many levels in it, and it is so intresting how people percieve it...But it seems like we both have understood it in the same way, and I think your analysis has also helpedme put some things straight :-D A real pleasure for me too, and lets carry on with this in the future too !
Hi you two! This is/was a great discussion and analysis! Very enriching!!! Thank you so much :)
Thank you :-D We had a lot of fun, and it is mindblowing to discuss a film like Cosmopolis, not really knowing what the author actually meant , but also all the parralels you can make to the world/life how it is, and to the life of Packer in his "bubble" :-) Hope youre good ? Talk to you tomorrow night ;-)ZZZZ
By discussing a film/book like Cosmopolis maybe you are never done.....;)
I´m not really good, but working on it..... ;)
Ah Whence, I wish you the best for your soul and that you will let me know if there is anything I can do......
Sending positive vibes and good karma (as always ;-), your way :-)
So now you know why I delayed seeing Cosmopolis ;) I have a scientific mind - I like it when everything fits together and has a logical explanation. Of course I know that not everything can be explained and certain things I must take for granted, without further analysis. But it's a pleasure to look for explanations in the company of people like You. I really hope that we will continue this kind of conversation in the future! :-D
Hello, Whence :-) The pleasure is all mine, believe me. Oh, I miss you all, because I can't spend here recently as much time as I want. Ok, maybe if I stopped sleeping...
same here ;) If I could send you a few hours in a care package I would do it in the blink of an eye :)))
Thank you kind lady! I try to ride with the wave ;)
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