MTE. That's why Edward has an edge against these vampires. He has gift of mindreading and is quicker to move/run compared to the others. He might not be on the same level of an experienced fighter as Jasper is, but his gifts and experiences will be his advantage. I really don't get the people behind these movies. Or rather, THEY don't get IT. Tsk. But what's new right? *sigh*
I cannot think why it had to be an action film? Really after all those years I still cannot grab why twilight had to be an action film. It fails me. Its a character film like Pride and Prejudice like so many others. Loads of film did very well without being actions films. There are enough action films out there why another one was needed? They thought that they wouldn't make money? What what have they been thinking?
I'm just always nodding when I read your comment;the thoughts running in my head are very much on the same line as yours. Only you do it in a more articulate and concise manner. :) Perfectly stated as always. x
I feel the same way,but you wrote so clearly,I feel the MONEY & H'wood interfered in the rest of the films,if it wasn't for Robs excellent acting they would have been worse ,now I am waiting to see the last film,how I'll see it remains cloudy just yet,but so happy seeing the first film.
They wanted that is H'Wood male patrons for the movies so the action,it wasn't enough to have zillions of female fans,they must have guy fans as well am sure their was a f because of K,obviously it was not enough for Summits money making the zillions of Rob fans making billions for them,so just put more action in the scripts,and lets get Edward more whipped,I really disliked it,if it wasn't for Robs charismatic acting I would not be watching BD2,hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.
totally agree !! it is so annoying !! i have been watching these movies only for Rob ...had it been anyone else probably would have given up watching . and they made him so ugly in eclipse and bd 1 . that is such an immpossible thing to do with Rob i mean the guy looks great at all angles in real life . He looked ugly in quite a few honey moon scenes in BD1, i have often wondered why did they not reshoot these scenes ??? Bella became stronger and prettier with each movie and Rob became uglier and whimpier with each movie . Hopefully BD2 will be better
It is funny you say that, I had no intention of going to see BD 1, however my friends convinced me to go and I thought oh well if nothing else I will see gorgeous Robert on screen. I was actually surprised how much I enjoyed it until near the end, when the imprinting took place. It was not a big issue, if Melissa decided to delete that scene, I do not think people would have cared, except the diehard fans. However, I did enjoy it especially because of Robert and how tender and beautifully portrayed the frightened guilt-ridden vampire groom and husband.
Different opinion to the top comments and discussion. But I don't care who's saving who out of Edward and Bella. Favourite couple out of Twilight, obviously, since they're what (in my view) the whole love story is based on.
But one of my favourite scenes in Twilight was the ballet ballroom scene. BASICALLY the fight scene. I just can picture Rob's face as Edward when Bella was bitten and laying there broken.
First off, the video was gone by the time I got here. Had dr appt. and Hockey game. I'm going to talk about MR's writing, if you call it that, the switching of directors, and Edward's"balls falling off." This has been discussed several times over the past few years. I wrote it off as to each his own. I have a friend that read "Twilight" only and decided that the Cullens were "fluffy" vampires and in a way so were with some of the Nomads. Because I loved the books, I may have overlooked some of SM's quirks. Here go: MR"s writing is horrible. I felt she just wrote directions " Bad Vampires come to camp. Now deal with it." I know each director works different. Some are very open to collaboration with the Cast, and some frown on constructive criticism. When an actor that basically developed how their character will behave over a film or two, is told "no, your aren't playing that character anymore. Some directors come in and try to change the whole world of Forks. They change so much you wonder if are you watching a sequel or a totally different world. SM took huge shears and cut Edward' balls off. He fell in love (and please excuse the phrase) Edward became pussy whipped. He became the stumbler and fumbler. I know some men take better care of their wives and families than Edward did of the people around him. Bella was written to be the Heroine. Anything and everything she did was golden. I like Rob! I like watching Rob doing anything. I liked reading "The Twilight Saga". If Rob had not been in them I might have watched the movies, but I doubt it! I watch them for Rob! He plays what he is given. If he is given crap, he tries to make it watchable. I thought about buying an Edward doll, but didn't. Now I can say he was anatomically correct. SM took shear's and chopped his balls!!!!!
Missed the video...but something tells me am glad...less spoilers I guess that way - plus I saw something on tumblr on my phone & from comments can guess the rest.
oh thanks babe that was very sweet of you too say I just told her exactly how I felt because she deserved it and she knows we are right and she is wrong LOL
ha ha ha ha ha! oh I would let them all have it on stupid they are and I have said too Monique a five year old could way better than that talentless HACK BITCH LOL!
so well said! and bottom line the woman(as I have said before) has become a hollywood machine and as you said she has lost her vision in NM she has lost her vision period thru out the whole Saga and I do miss the person that was so compassionate about writing these books and caring and as well as passionate when it also came too the charaters and sadly she lost it along the way and lost herself in the process and she failed too stay true too herself and she failed too stand her ground and that too me is really sad I hope that when Fifty Shades Of Grey starts production(eventually) I hope and pray that EL James stays too herself and does not end like SM
Totally agree and I was just thinking the same thing after seeing all the clips. I think Twilight and New Moon had Edward's character correct and Rob seemed genuinely happy with the director's take on Edward but to market the love triangle for Eclipse, Edward's character completely got diminished. I personally think Eclipse director did not like Rob or something which I don't see how that's even possible and I think screen writer wanted to turn it into some feminist Girl Power tool. They are making Bella into some warrior princess heroine or something almost like she would be completely fine being a vamp without Edward. I love the Bella of the books because her voice in the books was always funny, and self-deprecating and everything she said and did was always because she loved Edward and couldn't live with out him. He was her reason for doing everything. And at the end of the "battle" in BD book, when Edward says Bella saved the day, Bella is shy and humble. The E/B relationship in the books was balanced, the movie portrayal is totally unbalanced. Oh well, I'll still go watch it 4-5x and buy the DVD the day it is released:) No matter how the movies portray Edward, I will always be grateful they brought us Rob!
You know respect isn't only for Rob and the people he's with... While I generally do agree that MR didn't do such a great job with the screenplay and the whole emasculation of Edward in the movies and in a certain sense in the book, is it really fair for a few of you to call MR personally insulting names? And LOL and high five about it too....
Really? A whore? Perhaps before you lay everything at her door, it might be wise to find out exactly how much power a screenwriter has on the set of a film. The answer: zilch. As to what actually gets filmed the hierarchy is something like the following: what the producer wants, what the director wants, what the major stars want, what the gf/bf of the producer wants, what the exec producer dropping by wants, what the agent wants...you get the picture. Sometimes the star rules entirely -- as William Goldman's little discourse on "The Ghost and the Darkness" and Michael Douglas shows, and believe me, Jack Nicholson has been known to sit in on the editing process...lol No matter what she put on the page, if it wasn't what the producers, and the director, wanted, it wouldn't have been there. Film is a collaborative medium, and no screenwriter gets to call the shots unless they are a writer/director, so at least spread the blame around to all involved. There's a wonderfully illustrative scene at the beginning of "Adaptation." Nick Cage plays writer Charlie Kaufman and he's on the set of his film, unnoticed until the first AD sees him "You -- you're in the eye-line. Can you please get off the stage?" It may be Melissa was given more leeway as a female-led franchise is not a known entity in Hollywood...lol...but the decision for the scenes as finally filmed wasn't hers to make.
There is stuff she had there that people would have wanted, that directors took out--not herself. We have no idea what was ordered into the script from higher-ups, nor what was taken out by lower-downs. ANd a thousand likes for the respect part and calling of names. Turn on the Aretha Franklin. ;-)
After watching that scene I thought - 'Well, who cares if he falls down that cliff/ditch whatever. He's a freaken vampire and he could just crawl back up'.... And then I realized what a loser I was for even thinking that far into it! I have to keep reminding myself that it;s just a movie LOL
The wolves get a pass for everything I think.... look how Jacob treated Bella in Eclipse and talk to her and what did SM did... make Bella beg for Jacob to kiss her and he tricked her... look at his attitude and rudeness to Edward..
People always mention that it's an adaptation and I do understand that... but from the crappy adaptation... the books would have to be worse... shouldn't the scriptwriter take a crappy book and make it better... not take a not so well written books and make it crappy... I love the books and the story especially Twilight and if it wasn't for Robert and Kristen... they make it watchable... take a sow's ears and made it into leather handbags. I just don't think MR had the conviction of what the story and the character are all about. She just want to make Bella into herself or what she thinks feminism is all about. I didn't Bella was bad... she was strong and kind and loving and would die for the ones she loves. She practically taken care of her mother... she's taken care of her and her father's home, she goes to school, studies, work a part time job while doing all that... I think Bella was very admirable character... but just because she fell in love with a boy and would die for him doesn't make her weak and when people said that Edward was controlling... I thought he was terified that something would happen to Bella and she would die and leave him considering he's lived for so long and when he finally found the love of his immortal life she was human and could die quite easily.
dina65, it's the time we are living in. Everything for H'wood now is action and more action... the bigger the boom the better. Years to come I wonder what they are going to do with great works of art like Shakespeare! lol Of course the Twilight Saga made a pretty penny without the big booms and mostly women seat fillers and yet they are still trying to get men in there.
OR- we can see it in other ways-- Edward was a hero in that he saved Bella many times at the beginning, but by deciding for her he messed things up--once could say he is only human, but he wasn't, and his superhuman powers (mind-reading, strength, speed) could save some situations but not all, and that he was counting on those rather than developing other (non-vampire) strenghts; that Bella was the most natural and powerful vampire, protecting everyone (not just Edward) with her bubble says many things--that Edward, with all of his vampire powers, did not have so many powers without them (f he couldn't read someone's mind, or if speed and and strength did not enter the equation, he was at best equal to others), and that Bella's love and his love for Bella were his real 'power'; that a girl does not come into her own, does not have real power, until she is married and has made love; etc.
MTE. That's why Edward has an edge against these vampires. He has gift of mindreading and is quicker to move/run compared to the others. He might not be on the same level of an experienced fighter as Jasper is, but his gifts and experiences will be his advantage. I really don't get the people behind these movies. Or rather, THEY don't get IT. Tsk. But what's new right? *sigh*
ReplyDeleteI cannot think why it had to be an action film? Really after all those years I still cannot grab why twilight had to be an action film. It fails me. Its a character film like Pride and Prejudice like so many others. Loads of film did very well without being actions films. There are enough action films out there why another one was needed? They thought that they wouldn't make money? What what have they been thinking?
ReplyDeleteHear, hear.
ReplyDeleteI'm just always nodding when I read your comment;the thoughts running in my head are very much on the same line as yours. Only you do it in a more articulate and concise manner. :) Perfectly stated as always. x
ReplyDeleteI feel the same way,but you wrote so clearly,I feel the MONEY & H'wood interfered in the rest of the films,if it wasn't for Robs excellent acting
ReplyDeletethey would have been worse ,now I am waiting to see the last film,how I'll see it remains cloudy just yet,but so happy seeing the first film.
Yes, yes and yes to everythng you say :-D
ReplyDeleteThey wanted that is H'Wood male patrons for the movies so the action,it wasn't enough to have zillions of female fans,they must have guy fans
ReplyDeleteas well am sure their was a f because of K,obviously it was not enough for Summits money making the zillions of Rob fans making billions for
them,so just put more action in the scripts,and lets get Edward more whipped,I really disliked it,if it wasn't for Robs charismatic acting I would
not be watching BD2,hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.
totally agree !! it is so annoying !! i have been watching these movies only for Rob ...had it been anyone else probably would have given up watching . and they made him so ugly in eclipse and bd 1 . that is such an immpossible thing to do with Rob i mean the guy looks great at all angles in real life . He looked ugly in quite a few honey moon scenes in BD1, i have often wondered why did they not reshoot these scenes ??? Bella became stronger and prettier with each movie and Rob became uglier and whimpier with each movie . Hopefully BD2 will be better
ReplyDeleteIt is funny you say that, I had no intention of going to see BD 1, however my friends convinced me to go and I thought oh well if nothing else I will see gorgeous Robert on screen. I was actually surprised how much I enjoyed it until near the end, when the imprinting took place. It was not a big issue, if Melissa decided to delete that scene, I do not think people would have cared, except the diehard fans. However, I did enjoy it especially because of Robert and how tender and beautifully portrayed the frightened guilt-ridden vampire groom and husband.
ReplyDeleteO
ReplyDeleteDifferent opinion to the top comments and discussion. But I don't care who's saving who out of Edward and Bella. Favourite couple out of Twilight, obviously, since they're what (in my view) the whole love story is based on.
I'm looking forward to it!
But one of my favourite scenes in Twilight was the ballet ballroom scene. BASICALLY the fight scene. I just can picture Rob's face as Edward when Bella was bitten and laying there broken.
ReplyDeleteFirst off, the video was gone by the time I got here. Had dr appt. and Hockey game. I'm going to talk about MR's writing, if you call it that, the switching of directors, and Edward's"balls falling off." This has been discussed several times over the past few years. I wrote it off as to each his own. I have a friend that read "Twilight" only and decided that the Cullens were "fluffy" vampires and in a way so were with some of the Nomads. Because I loved the books, I may have overlooked some of SM's quirks. Here go: MR"s writing is horrible. I felt she just wrote directions " Bad Vampires come to camp. Now deal with it." I know each director works different. Some are very open to collaboration with the Cast, and some frown on constructive criticism. When an actor that basically developed how their character will behave over a film or two, is told "no, your aren't playing that character anymore. Some directors come in and try to change the whole world of Forks. They change so much you wonder if are you watching a sequel or a totally different world. SM took huge shears and cut Edward' balls off. He fell in love (and please excuse the phrase) Edward became pussy whipped. He became the stumbler and fumbler. I know some men take better care of their wives and families than Edward did of the people around him. Bella was written to be the Heroine. Anything and everything she did was golden. I like Rob! I like watching Rob doing anything. I liked reading "The Twilight Saga". If Rob had not been in them I might have watched the movies, but I doubt it! I watch them for Rob! He plays what he is given. If he is given crap, he tries to make it watchable. I thought about buying an Edward doll, but didn't. Now I can say he was anatomically correct. SM took shear's and chopped his balls!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThat and their first kiss are my special memories...so good!
ReplyDeleteMissed the video...but something tells me am glad...less spoilers I guess that way - plus I saw something on tumblr on my phone & from comments can guess the rest.
ReplyDeleteAnd the prom <3
ReplyDeleteOh yeah how could I forget the prom...duh!!
ReplyDeleteoh thanks babe that was very sweet of you too say I just told her exactly how I felt because she deserved it and she knows we are right and she is wrong LOL
ReplyDeleteROTFLMFAO!!! you are too funny! *snaps fingers* aw damn I should have said that!
ReplyDeleteso very true honestly but MR was a CRAPPY writer for the Saga hell a five year old could do better than her!
ReplyDeleteI know huh?! *in a sarcasitc voice* my nephew and his friends would love it NOT!
ReplyDeleteLMAO no kidding honestly!
ReplyDeleteha ha ha ha ha! oh I would let them all have it on stupid they are and I have said too Monique a five year old could way better than that talentless HACK BITCH LOL!
ReplyDeleteso well said! and bottom line the woman(as I have said before) has become a hollywood machine and as you said she has lost her vision in NM she has lost her vision period thru out the whole Saga and I do miss the person that was so compassionate about writing these books and caring and as well as passionate when it also came too the charaters and sadly she lost it along the way and lost herself in the process and she failed too stay true too herself and she failed too stand her ground and that too me is really sad I hope that when Fifty Shades Of Grey starts production(eventually) I hope and pray that EL James stays too herself and does not end like SM
ReplyDeleteexactly :/
ReplyDeleteAMEN! too that! LOL!
ReplyDeleteI am one bad ass! :D
ReplyDelete"Hack bitch" lol too funny, it's a good thing she doesn't go on tour with them?!
ReplyDeleteLol ...is that you I smell? Ha ha I had to say it!!
ReplyDeleteTotally agree and I was just thinking the same thing after seeing all the clips. I think Twilight and New Moon had Edward's character correct and Rob seemed genuinely happy with the director's take on Edward but to market the love triangle for Eclipse, Edward's character completely got diminished. I personally think Eclipse director did not like Rob or something which I don't see how that's even possible and I think screen writer wanted to turn it into some feminist Girl Power tool. They are making Bella into some warrior princess heroine or something almost like she would be completely fine being a vamp without Edward. I love the Bella of the books because her voice in the books was always funny, and self-deprecating and everything she said and did was always because she loved Edward and couldn't live with out him. He was her reason for doing everything. And at the end of the "battle" in BD book, when Edward says Bella saved the day, Bella is shy and humble. The E/B relationship in the books was balanced, the movie portrayal is totally unbalanced. Oh well, I'll still go watch it 4-5x and buy the DVD the day it is released:) No matter how the movies portray Edward, I will always be grateful they brought us Rob!
ReplyDeleteYou know respect isn't only for Rob and the people he's with... While I generally do agree that MR didn't do such a great job with the screenplay and the whole emasculation of Edward in the movies and in a certain sense in the book, is it really fair for a few of you to call MR personally insulting names? And LOL and high five about it too....
ReplyDeleteyour welcome :D
ReplyDeleteReally? A whore? Perhaps before you lay everything at her door, it might be wise to find out exactly how much power a screenwriter has on the set of a film. The answer: zilch. As to what actually gets filmed the hierarchy is something like the following: what the producer wants, what the director wants, what the major stars want, what the gf/bf of the producer wants, what the exec producer dropping by wants, what the agent wants...you get the picture. Sometimes the star rules entirely -- as William Goldman's little discourse on "The Ghost and the Darkness" and Michael Douglas shows, and believe me, Jack Nicholson has been known to sit in on the editing process...lol No matter what she put on the page, if it wasn't what the producers, and the director, wanted, it wouldn't have been there. Film is a collaborative medium, and no screenwriter gets to call the shots unless they are a writer/director, so at least spread the blame around to all involved. There's a wonderfully illustrative scene at the beginning of "Adaptation." Nick Cage plays writer Charlie Kaufman and he's on the set of his film, unnoticed until the first AD sees him "You -- you're in the eye-line. Can you please get off the stage?" It may be Melissa was given more leeway as a female-led franchise is not a known entity in Hollywood...lol...but the decision for the scenes as finally filmed wasn't hers to make.
ReplyDeleteThere is stuff she had there that people would have wanted, that directors took out--not herself. We have no idea what was ordered into the script from higher-ups, nor what was taken out by lower-downs. ANd a thousand likes for the respect part and calling of names. Turn on the Aretha Franklin. ;-)
ReplyDeleteAfter watching that scene I thought - 'Well, who cares if he falls down that cliff/ditch whatever. He's a freaken vampire and he could just crawl back up'.... And then I realized what a loser I was for even thinking that far into it! I have to keep reminding myself that it;s just a movie LOL
ReplyDeleteThe wolves get a pass for everything I think.... look how Jacob treated Bella in Eclipse and talk to her and what did SM did... make Bella beg for Jacob to kiss her and he tricked her... look at his attitude and rudeness to Edward..
ReplyDeleteIs it too late for you to go back and asked her?
ReplyDeletePeople always mention that it's an adaptation and I do understand that... but from the crappy adaptation... the books would have to be worse... shouldn't the scriptwriter take a crappy book and make it better... not take a not so well written books and make it crappy... I love the books and the story especially Twilight and if it wasn't for Robert and Kristen... they make it watchable... take a sow's ears and made it into leather handbags. I just don't think MR had the conviction of what the story and the character are all about. She just want to make Bella into herself or what she thinks feminism is all about. I didn't Bella was bad... she was strong and kind and loving and would die for the ones she loves. She practically taken care of her mother... she's taken care of her and her father's home, she goes to school, studies, work a part time job while doing all that... I think Bella was very admirable character... but just because she fell in love with a boy and would die for him doesn't make her weak and when people said that Edward was controlling... I thought he was terified that something would happen to Bella and she would die and leave him considering he's lived for so long and when he finally found the love of his immortal life she was human and could die quite easily.
ReplyDeleteJMHO
Excellent post and as whence wrote below.
ReplyDeletedina65, it's the time we are living in. Everything for H'wood now is action and more action... the bigger the boom the better. Years to come I wonder what they are going to do with great works of art like Shakespeare! lol Of course the Twilight Saga made a pretty penny without the big booms and mostly women seat fillers and yet they are still trying to get men in there.
ReplyDeleteAll good to know, about the process. Thanks for clarifying.
ReplyDeleteThank you Monique, Whence, and Random!
ReplyDeleteI know, Monique. It would take me a long time and too many words to criticize Jacob, so I'll just agree with you for now.
ReplyDeleteYour welcome. :-)
ReplyDeleteOR- we can see it in other ways-- Edward was a hero in that he saved Bella many times at the beginning, but by deciding for her he messed things up--once could say he is only human, but he wasn't, and his superhuman powers (mind-reading, strength, speed) could save some situations but not all, and that he was counting on those rather than developing other (non-vampire) strenghts; that Bella was the most natural and powerful vampire, protecting everyone (not just Edward) with her bubble says many things--that Edward, with all of his vampire powers, did not have so many powers without them (f he couldn't read someone's mind, or if speed and and strength did not enter the equation, he was at best equal to others), and that Bella's love and his love for Bella were his real 'power'; that a girl does not come into her own, does not have real power, until she is married and has made love; etc.
ReplyDeleteWell, minus my flippancy, it's often the way it is...;-)
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