Oh and emma, clue on to the fact, you've been dead annoying, and when someone proceeds in winding someone up, they aren't going to be a very happy bunny. Anyone with half a brain would clue onto that. It doesn't mean they have anger management, for you I think you do. And you have short time memory loss because you only remembered one thing throughout all my comment. "if you like Rob fine", is that all the world comes to? And obviously it's not fine. Because you've been a bitch. You'll be a bitch to anyone on here, regardless of whether they like Rob. You're a bitch. You need to have therapy for that.
I have no idea what you are all fighting about, but please stop. I know you are oth angry and rightfully so, but jst don't comment on each other. If either one of you make a comment the other doesn't like just disregard it. This is not worth fighting over.
I'm all about a good debate and sometimes certain individuals on this site take it as hostility, but the name calling isn't getting you anywhere. It is way off topic. I don't expect you girls to be friends..just ignore eachother. Not everything is going to be dandy on this website if someone brings up Kristen, but please be mindful that some people love her and some done and then there are those who really don;t give a damn either way. Just try and see where people are coming from.
Please don't attack me. I know its not my business and you are free to disregard what I say as well.
How bout those E-mails?!?! Chivalry lessons in a box. Maybe Blackberry should create a special Pappa P app, with instant tips on how to behave in an old-fashioned classy manner? Looks to be a big market for it right here...
...Wow i've read almost all the comments from this thread & I knew something like this (swearing & bitching) would happen especially when someone mentions the "K"word. @ Steph is legit ITA!!
I went out after work, but have to add my comments about this video before it's off the page ....
What a beautiful idea to read those emails. Perfectly done, tone, comic timing, expressions and the affection for his dad? I'm still staggered his charisma. He couldn't have made this interview more perfect. He's got the midas touch - this can only endear him to new fans. Beautiful!
Rob is definitely getting cheekier these days, but in a good way. He's much wittier and confident but not cocky imo, I don't believe there are any barbs here. The comments with ER are nothing. Not everyone adores Rob - so what? What upsets some people clearly doesn't upset him. I bet he's got more important things on his mind. 2 years back there was huge upset about Russell Brand cutting Rob's speech off but was Rob offended?
@TotallyRobbed i'm sure Rob doesn't even think about the Emma comments anymore....people just need to chill! I've saw a headline saying 'Robert Pattinson called Team Jacobs fans tasteless' I mean wtf?
Ladies! Ladies! Please stop. The bitching and the bitch backs are uncalled for. Such a shame when all we want to do is admire the pretty. Aaah! the preeetttty! :)
@ Steph is Legit I agree with you. Nice to see you around. And emma and kstewrocks Steph and I are great examples of ladies who don't have the same apresioation of kristen. (I love her and Steph not so much) But I still love steph haha!
Everyone, I hope we can all just get along. I know how cliche that sounds, but it is true. We all need to see where other people are coming from and no one is right or wrong. I'd be lying in saying that I am just an innocent commenter myself. I know I inadvertently start issues and for that I am sorry.
Anyway I don't think Rob will be full frontal naked, but according to him we get some "ass crack" lol.. either way, I'll take it!
Just about to step outta the house and thought I'd take a quick peek in to see if this thread had mangaged to not revert back to the fighting. It did. And I tried so hard to turn it. And I believe I made an error in judgement the other day.
I defended one of the two ladies having this 'personal' fight on a 'public' blog and I clearly made a mistake. My defense was of the more vocal of the two who is essentially standing on the edge of a cliff screaming into the wind...pretty much all by herself.
I got slapped and deleted the other night for ONE catty personal comment, but you have raged on for post after post. Even after the thread had been turned, you brought it back to continue on with your fight and the intensity of your language is getting worse as you've now engaged in name calling. I won't defend you again.
The other young lady? She and I and Solas got into a debate yesterday about Twilight. We strongly disagreed and we all stuck to our guns, but there was no nastiness or name calling.
Why do people come to this blog, knowing the kind of community we've got here, and purposefully try to tear it up? I'll never understand why someone would expend the time and energy to do so.
@Loisada you crack me up girl, I was thinking the same thing, I have avoided this thread like the plauge today. Let's just all agree to disagree because the world would be a boring place if we all agreed on the same thing.
I don't think were gonna get a frontal shot...this time, but one day, we might. He's European afterall and those actors don't seen to have the inhibitions of American actors. Since he's obviously able to overcome his nerves enough to be naked on a set full of people (Little Ashes, Remember Me and now Bel Ami), what's the next step? Yeah. The camera. Who's to say? But were definitely gonna get a bum shot or two.
I wanna bum shot in Breaking Dawn (yeah right). Picture this...
Bella is on the beach in her little bikini facing the water. It's a gloriously beautiful sun shiney day. Edward steps up out of the water walking towards her. We see him sparkle in all his godlike glory. And with the camera on her face, he steps into the frame and from behind we see the camera as it pans down his body until he's in a long shot, completely nude walking towards her, like a god rising up out of the sea and we see the her face as he's getting closer and closer to her until he's standing right before her. And at first she's awestruck and then she grins up at him and expression says...
It's mine. It's all MINE!!!
And he goes down on his knees to her and he begins to make love to her and this is where she tells him, this was my dream that woke me up last night and made me cry. This is what I dreamt and now it's real.
Something like that. Wouldn't that be a scene that would send women to the emergency room in droves?
I need a shot of oxygen just thinking about it.
That would be tame enough for a PG-13 wouldn't it? And if they gave us a shot like that, then the love making on the beach could end with the kissing. That particular scene wouldn't have to be taken further.
Why the hell am I not writing this? You are dummy. You have. They're just not reading it.
NIk thanks a hole hell of a lot, now what am I suppose to do nothing can touch the girly bits for five more weeks, thanks for the visual babe I all kinds of hot and bothered now LMAO!!!!
LMAO I wish you were the screenwriter lol. I like your version x100 more haha.
Rob is going to quit acting and make a porno just to make all of us happy..They're also going to blur out the female costar so we are all the "star".. true story i made up
anyways.. i'm going out to celebrate happy hour 2 hours later than necessary AKA rewatch the WC matches at the bar.. I shall be on later
I'm wondering if (despite the younger members of their audience), if they feel that they can maybe push that envelope just a bit (nothing nasty, graphic or vulgar), but more erotic maybe because they are man and wife. That there would be a properness to it. Maybe even Meyer wouldn't have a problem with it. So long as the scenes are done tastefully. And even playfully. Ya know? I'm wondering. They just can't fade to black or show us the waves crashing onto the beach or else the grownups in the audience are gonna groan and throw their popcorn at the screen.
You know it is possible to have a debate, discussion, argument without resorting to name calling and back stabbing. My husband routinely likes to take an opposing view just to exercise his considerable intellectual muscles. Sometimes I do think he is trying to get a rise out of me but mostly it is just to have the pleasure of a good debate. He is never hurtful or nasty. It can be done. By the way, I almost always lose because he is a whole lot smarter than I am. But I don't call names either.
Everybody's girly bits are a tinglin' are they? Outstanding! My job is done. Oh that's okay. You don't have to thank me. It's what I'm here for. LMFAO!
Just keep that shot in mind ladies...
Edward. Naked from behind. Rising up out the sea like a sparkling god in the sunshine all wet and dripping. Walking. No. Sauntering up to his wife. The wife he's waited nearly a century for. And he's about to make the earth move with her.
I gotta run out for a bit. But I promise I'll come back here and answer that question about Meyer and Mormon values and Edward and Bella behaving like newlyweds.
Just check back here or I'll track you down on another thread.
And once again...please. I'm begging. We can disagree. I'm very opinionated and very vocal and I disagree all the time. And others disagree with me. And that's fine as disagreeing is a part of human communication, but...we don't have to tear each other or this blog up to do it.
I fear that if it doesn't stop, were going to have a mass exodus around here.
Laurie--I love to discuss/border-on-argue, especially on a topic about which I am passionate, and I also do sometimes take an opposing view, not to exercise my intellectual 'muscles,' but rather because I love to understand as much as possible about many many subjects, and coming up with different possble views, turning them in my mind to see dfferent angles, helps both in arguing and in understanding and even getting along with others. ;-)
@Solas that is one of the values you are questioning, yes I was also raised in the LDS ( Mormon) church, but I was afraid to answer beacuse people are so quick to judge here. As far as what Steph will allow I have no clue we all have our own personal morals and values my fam just got back from the movies and now I am getting kicked off the computer my kids want to play on it.
I cannot imagine that SM would condone anything that was not within her comfort zone. I will be interested to see what Nik has to say.
As an artist I like the human form and find it quite beautiful (and sometimes funny or vulgar too). But as much as we all tease and joke about it I do not think I would find an overdose on the big screen very erotic. It would end up being like a nudist camp, eh, so what? As Rob said, they've seen it all before. I don't really think Rob would be comfortable with it either. He's willing to do it if necessary but will it truly be necessary?
One of the most erotic scenes I have ever seen was not on True Blood where they do show almost everything, but from MI5 when the lead character, Tom, was in bed with his then girlfriend, Ellie. All you as the audience could see was his bare shoulders, the back of his head and part of her face. He just started moving ever so slowly and anyone who is sexually active knew exactly what was happening. She said something like "What is that?" and he says "You knew what it was last night." It was unbelievably erotic. I think they could do something similar in BD and make everybody happy without a lot of nudity and explicit sex scenes. Just my opinion.
Ok, I just watched the interview again and while Emma Roberts isn't overly friendly, I didn't think she was truly rude. She actually laughed pretty heartily at Rob's comment and now realize she was trying to be funny when she made the comment about having to sit next to him (in response to JL's comment "So I guess this will be the LAST time you 2 meet")
I think on the first viewing I was being biased because I expect everyone to fawn and gush over Rob because he's Rob. Everyone MUST find him charming and adorable, right?
Why do I feel like I'm laying on my back, sand hugging me, and the sun shining so bright and hot? MMmmmm Sunkissed skin and a cool wet tongue. Back arching with lil whimpers coming outa my throat? Just me???
@Solas I can answer you if you want me too about mormon values, just let me know, the kid that took the computer away from me just got herself grounded to her room for talking back to her father so now I have it back to talk.
laurie, thanks; I think a human body CAN be beautiful but not all are, although I appreciate the intrinsic beauty of the whole system. I thnk ther is unbelievable, beyond-earthly beauty n love-making, when there is love, but I don't want to see that beauty expressed by others. It is so deeply intensely personal; it is, to me, literally intimate. But I have an intense sense of privacy, and that includes privacy of the body--not only my own, but other people's bodies as well. Even if THEY don't mind exposing themselves, I do mind seeng them exposed. I just don't want to invade other people's privacy, including their private bodies, even if they are acting.
acullen--I would love to hear from you as well. And part of what I would like to understand is if there is a firm rule (like--view no nudity of prvate parts other than your own or your spouse's) or if there is flexiblity, like a bottom line (like--don't vew that whch will arouse you to commit a wrong) and then details left up to each individual.
@ solas How would you feel about seeing.... say an Amazonian tribe or something. where they where very little if anything? I'm just interested as I was raised in a VERY STRIKED faith where we were discourage from even wearing skirts above our knees. I still believe in that faith. But I'm now much more open minded. I believe love should always come before sex. But I'm very open about the human body. Maybe it's because I'm European. On our local beach families, mothers go topless running around the beach after there naked toddlers and nobody blinks an eye. I think in some ways it's the tradition that says nudity is shameful. Something to hide. I was a nude art model at a well known art university and there the mind set is the body is a beautiful work of art. I think we all feel that the body is more about sex than art or beauty. which is a shame. I remember when my son was born and he was naked. I thought it was the most beautiful site I'd ever seen. But we live in a pervy world, so I don't think I would like to walk down the street in the buff being ogled.
@Solas the church has given guidelines to it's members and has left it up to each individual to decide for themselves what they want to do, for some viewing nudity might lead them into doing something like committing adultry or hurting women, for others it does not effect them. We have all been given free agency. Stephanie Meyer did put sex in her book but she did it in a way that her teenage readers were not told flat out, but she did it after they were married and she has taken a lot flack for it from members of the church, sex before marriage is another priciple, we are taught to wait until we are married,why some ask well one because sex brings a whole other level to a relationship and teenagers for the most part are not ready for that, two sex leads to children if you dont take precautions and teenagers are not ready for that also the problem lies with most Mormon parents ingraining in their children that sex is bad and that is how most of us were raised, not me, my parents were very open with us, I am the same way with my teenage daughter and I take a lot of flack for it from friends and family. I tell them I would rather her hear it from me than her friends that might not know what they are really talking about.
some parent at my daughters school last year started a petetion to take the Twilight books of the shelves in the school library because she said that the kids were being taught that sex was ok, I headed the other side of the debate and the books are still in the library to this day.
a lot of people think all Mormons are just prudes that is not the case like every religion there are degree's and some take it to far. Do I drink achohol no but that is not just because of my religion, my best friend was killed by a drunk driver I was in the car and because of the accident I lost my scholorship in college and it ended my dancing career I promised myself and my friend that I would never drink achohol again, we both had had some at a party that night and because there was alcohol in my friends system the driver that hit us only got five years in prison, he was out in two. everything is a choice most are just guidelines and if you look at it, it benefits most people like dont smoke well not just Mormon's think that way, dont do drugs dont put harmful things in your body. Do I drink caffeine I use to but I realised that i was so addicted to it I had to get off, do Mormons drink caffeine yes a lot of them do. As far a sex within your marraige anything goes as long as you are both comfortable with it and it is behind closed doors,
I am being kicked off the computer again but by my husband this time, jeeze I need my lap top I crashed it and it will cost more to fix than buy a new one I will talk to you later I hope that answered some of your questions I am not very good at saying what I want to say it always sounds so good in my head until I write it out.
Good evening to everyone who is perusing this post to comment - apart from the apparent disagreement betweeen the individual posters - the responses were very impressive - some of them very witty.Thanks to Kat and C/O for the prompt post of the interview some of us who can not make it at odd hours can watch it here.I am going to miss this blog for a fortnight - will miss the Premiere (additionally- not to mention the fear of flying- transatlantic flight)and the subsequent press coverage for I will be visting Europe . Good luck to those who will attend the Premiere and the fans here who have decided to meet in L.A for the same.( including the artist them selves). thanks
Good evening to everyone who is perusing this post to comment - apart from the apparent disagreement betweeen the individual posters - the responses were very impressive - some of them very witty.Thanks to Kat and C/O for the prompt post of the interview some of us who can not make it at odd hours can watch it here.I am going to miss this blog for a fortnight - will miss the Premiere (additionally- not to mention the fear of flying- transatlantic flight)and the subsequent press coverage for I will be visting Europe . Good luck to those who will attend the Premiere and the fans here who have decided to meet in L.A for the same.( including the artist them selves). thanks
@ acullengirl Good post. I had a relationship with a very well raised London boy. He was very much like Rob actually. Very tall, shy but funny, a little girly but very masculine. He also came from the same class and had a wonderful posh voice hehe! We didn't have the same values though. He believed it was ok for to consensual adults to have... for want of a better word, "A f**k buddy" I hate that expression. We had a huge debate about it. He said "I don't see the problem. If it's what they both want and now one gets hurt." I told him "you have to consider every time you have sex with someone, there's a potential to create a child with that person. Even if you use protection. A condom is 99% 98% safe. That means every time you have sex with that woman there’s a 1 or 2% chance she will be having your child. So before you do have sex you have to ask yourself "would I want a child with this woman?"
Yes, MI5 is spooks. The character Tom Quinn was only on the show from 2002 to 2004 so I think the episode I mentioned must have been in the first or second season. I don't have the DVDs or I would look it up for you. It has been a long time since I saw that particular episode and it has still stuck with me.
acullen-thanks so much for your response! although my first doctorate was in religion, I do not know every specfic detail or attitude, especially in day-to-day human terms, of each person's path. In some ways, we are similar; I do not drink alcohol other than on sabbath on HOly days, and even then it is just one cup of sacremental wine; this is not a religious restriction but rather dislike for alcohol and lack of control, but especially because one of my sisters was killed in a car crash by a guy who just had a few beers--alc level was below legal limit yet inhibted his reflexes enough to ram her car before he could stop himself. I don't believe in doing deliberate harm to the body, includng smoking, and even if I were not religious, I would believe the same. We were raised to dress pretty modestly--not to expose the knee or elbone or collarbone, and women not to wear trousers. When near or in a religious community, I follow this; on my own far awy from pryng eyes, I prefer jeans and tshirt. We were also raised that woman's voce was not allowed to be heard by men because it might seduce them and cause adultery. I do not follow this and got a lot of trouble for it. I was not raised wth the idea that sex is bad; it simply wasn't talked about and for the most part we didn't even know what to ask. Whatever we did ask, we were told we would find out when we got married. We were very sheltered and naive. I think innocence is good, not necessarily ignorance or naivete when out in the world. I personally think sex in the right situation in the right way, with love, is one of the best blessings G-d came up with, but can be terrible if not with the right person in the right way. In the religious path I walk, there are bottom lines and indivdual expressons about those bottom lines, but community and authorties often inflict their specific expressions on everyone else. It is a big problem for me; I have been blacklisted from some religious places and many clients have left due to religious authority's pressure on them about me. (I don't follow the party line; I go on the internet, i watch TV and I see movies, and I even have sung in public! The horror--the horror!) To me, the bottom lines are: all humans are created in a spiritual reflection of G-d; loving one's neighbour (and all humans on the planet are our neighbours) as one's self (and you have to love yourself to fulfill that); repairing the world even if one step at a time; if you are not part of the soluton, you are part of the problem. Wthin the context of this conversation, though, I do value personal privacy and modesty-- again, not because I thnk nudity is bad or sex is bad, because I don't, but because it is not for public consumption, use, or even enjoyment.
@Cullengirl, thanks for sharing that. One of my best friend's sister and her family are Mormons (she was not raised as one) so we discuss their values a lot and how her nieces are being raised. Other than the obvious access to everything Rob here, I really love this Blog for what I learn and the the diversity of the people here from all over the world and many walks of life. My friend at work today always calls Rob "Edward" and knows my obsession to a degree, but she mentioned all the teen fans and I stopped her cold. I said it's so much bigger than that, trust me, most of the people are in my age group or close to it. I wanted to tell her about the English professor, the devout Chassidic psycologist, the writer, the mother of 10, the student working on her degree, the many wives, mothers, and grandmothers here, etc. but I realized it might be too much information. Despite the crap that gets stirred up now and then, it's still a community and I'm so thankful for it and to the lovely ladies who have given us access to Rob, but one another as well.
@Graceful, funny, but really does anyone think that Rob's ego is that fragile that he would be offended by anything she would say? His expression walking by her is not wanting to get caught in the interview by camera. He may not like her a lot 'cause she's a bit young and shallow for his taste, but he could give a care.
I started viewing this blog purely out of curiosity about Rob. I have found great enjoyment reading and learning about all the women who blog here. With the exception of the few who visit only to stir trouble, I am impressed with the variety of countries, cultures, age range, religions,family backgound and occupations of all who chat here. I would like to give all of you a big hand of applause. Maybe there is really some hope for the world if a group of so differing individuals can come to gather and enjoy each other and learn. My daughters tease me about my Rob fascination. I explained to them that getting to know you guys has been a real joy and maybe a more interesting and lasting experience than stalking Rob. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy his pictures and interviews. But he is after all for me, just a fun fantasy since I am old enough to be his grandmother plus some. I like to think we met in a former life and just haven't broken the connection!!!!! (smile)
Again, Ladies, take a bow, and give yourself a hand! We seem to be accomplishing more for world understanding on a daily basis than the United Nations!
@ lallieb Rob is like "Dean lets sneak past quickly and hope interview guy doesn't stop us" "pheew! thank Emma for the distraction" Interview guy "Damn! I missed talking to the real star of the show because I was talking to this kid!" Haha!
grace - i asked you on the other thread where it was but now i see it on the youtube site...the music is really funny when he walks by...like a real confrontation LOL. he was probably just happy he got by without being stopped :))
@ olejp What a lovely comment. I'm sure I can speak for everyone in saying we all feel the same. My best friend is not a Rob/Twilight fan :( and she doesn't get why I come on here. I read some of the comments to her sometimes, to show her it's not all about Rob, even when it's all about Rob. Sometimes it fun, sometimes it's mind opening and sometimes it's educational. I'm not a big fan of chatting to people online. Like on MSN. I keep it set to off line haha! But on here it's good to mean such diverse and amazing people.
Its says so much about Rob's character that he puts so much stock in his parents advice. I love how embarrassingly red his dad turned when the emails were read.
@Solas, thank you I have been afraid to let people know about my background because some are so quick to judge, it is amazing to me how many people beileve the same things that I do. we are all human beings put on this earth to learn and grow and become the best we can be, saying that I do not like it when people become rude and caddy and put people down for their view on something we are all entitled to our own opinions but we dont need to disrespect someone when they disagree with us, and if I have ever done that on here I apologize
My FAVORITE interview ever of Rob on any talk show. He was articulate, kind, respectful, witty, clever, sensitive, sincere, polite, a little edgy, thoughtful, gorgeous and how I loved it when he put Emma in her place!!! TEAM ROB FOREVER!!!!!!
I'm the antagonist of this lil modern masterpiece we call blog Ă la belle Robert Pattinson.
I'll be here for humor, grammar, inside jokes, and just plain making an ass out of myself. I like it, it's fun.
If you ever have a question, anything at all. I'll be sure to not tell you. There by making urself look like a know-it-all and me a dumbass, because....
hey ladies and good on ya mates! all you ya ya sist-ah's are making my life bearable again.
had to leave oklahoma to get peace. but also left a rather large chunk of my soul, heart. I am trying to get to a spot in life now to rebuild it...and I've been looking at Robsessed a little more and a little more but seems to be the same ole thing where someone says something waaaaay out of line and then everyone just jumps on it. but I guess that is the net.
Nik?! Wow! gf good to finally see your posts again. and really good that you used to know? or still do Jamie and Chris! I always thought it would be fun to know people like them...artists! Ya Ya!
And the emma thing? not even worth commenting on ...Rob took care of it. God I love him still so much. and even more since seeing that interview.
I got distracted last night and then actually fell asleep. What's up with that? LOL! Okay then.
Because of her Mormon values, how far do I think Meyer is going to allow them to take the sex in BD? Well here's the thing. She wrote the words. She described these intimate situations. A few examples...
* Edward "channeled the excess" by biting pillows and gouching out headboards? What did "excess" mean? He was experiencing orgasm.
* "They're bodies tangled gracefully into one." What did this mean? He entered her body. They joined together as one. They began sexual intercourse.
* While in bed together, they were talking for several mintues and then began laughing over something and the way in which their bodies were together, the effect of the laughter on their bodies immediately began another round of love making. What did that mean? That even though they weren't engaged (during their pillow talk) in the act of physical sex, their bodies were still connected. He was still inside of her.
She wrotes these scenes. She didn't write them explicitly, but they were graphic enough that you knew what she was trying to convey. And if she can write them in her book (for 'young readers' no less) then why can they not be adapted to the screen? I think they can as long as they are done tastefully. I don't think we need to see two naked bodies writhing around together, but how do they avoid the depection of a sexual union between these two as this is what the entire story was leading up to? And the birth of their child which was the result of...correct. They had sex. From the moment these two laid eyes on each other, THIS is where the story was leading. So in the climax (pardon the pun) of the story, how do they dance around this?
And Meyer is big on the ICONIC moments in the book. For instance...in the first film they weren't going to include the line, "and so the lion fell in love with the lamb." Why? Because in the film they had made no reference to Edward being compared to the lion and because of that, the line had no frame of reference. But Meyer INSISTED that this line be included because it was so iconic in the story. I remember she said that people had those words tatooed on their bodies. So, they included it. And I wondered at the time if those who hadn't read the book and because it had no frame of reference in the film, if they even had a clue as to what that line meant. And name me two other iconic moments in this story? Huge moments. The leg hitch, which is in Eclipse because we've seen the still photo AND...
Him biting that pillow in BD with the feathers flying come morning. In fact, that just might be the most iconic moment in the story. The most memorable. Even more than headboard gouching. If they omit that scene...oh dear.
NIk, I agree she wrote it, but I don't agree that 1- everyone knew totally what it meant, and 2-using words especially those that refer to things people (some teens, sheltered as I was and as many in my family are) have not experienced yet is equivalent to depicting it visually, where it is in your face.
Not many in my religious path will read these books or see the movies, and so I wonder if any other paths, such as Mormonism, raise the girls also fairly sheltered where they would not relate to these descriptons but could not escape the meaning if it was in film. I know my 12 year old grand-daughter would not get what was going on-'-chanelling excess', bodies laughing together, etc; I was not so sure she ought to read this book but her mother, my older daughter, said that my grand-daughter just kind of skips over stuff she doesn't understand (she does the same with vocabulary, even though I tell her to look up the words she doesn't know!). I know for sure that I, and my friends, even at age 16, would not have gotten any of these refernces; we would have thought the pillow biting was smiply becasue he was thirstng for her blood and didn't want to bite her; we had no concept at all of, had never heard of, a man being inside of a woman, etc. But my question was more about wondering if SM, considering her culture, would want visual representation of what she verbally described; am wondering if Mormon girls (can they even be thought of unilaterally, or are there, as Cullengrl describes, allowances for individual interests, even in teens) are naive enough where this would be too much for them.
@solas I know you asked Nik this question but living in utah and having atleast 30 mormon girls from the ages of 12-18 living right in my neighborhood might give you a better idea, most if Not all of the girls that have read the Twilight books Know they had sex and every one of the parents let their children read the books, I would say all of the older girls the ones in high school know and have said they understand everything, everything is out there for our children to see these days had these books come out back when I was twelve I probably would have had no clue even though my parents were pretty open with us. The church leaders have told paretns to talk openly with their chilren if they come and ask questions they have also told parents to let their children know what they expect out of them and where they stand on the issue, I think wether the teenager is mormon, catholic, Jewish, if you have a tv in your home if you watch movies if they read books and go to public school they know about it.
Okay. I'm actually going to answer your question. Guess I just wanted to address why despite her own personal morals, they cannot water this thing down or it will fail. They're playing to more than 12 year olds here and they KNOW IT!
And hi acullengirl... I didn't know you were LDS too (wwll, how would I?). And I don't worry about being judged 'cause if people aren't going to judge you about being Mormon, they find something else. LOL!
The thing about the Mormon faith is...like the Jews, being a Mormon is not just your religion. It is your culture and it informs every aspect of your life; what you eat, what you drink, what chemicals you take into your body, the type of clothes you wear, they kind of books, tv shows and movies you watch, the music you listen to, how you have sex and with whom and when, your views on such social issues as homosexuality and abortion, on spirituality, immortality, the universe, the nature of man, the nature of God, why we are on this earth, where we came from before birth and where we are going after physical death...EVERYTHING!
And while the church does teach that we have free agency, the right to choose for ourselves when making personal decisions for our lives and that there will be consequences to face both temporal and spiritual if we make the wrong decisions, when it comes to DOCTRINE, there is no wiggle room. Unlike a lot of modern churches, the Mormon church is not a democracy where you can pick and choose which aspects of it you're going to embrace and which you're going to reject. If you're going to embrace this theology, then you've got to do it at full throttle. And I do not know how full throttle Stephenie Meyer is in her practice of the faith.
But as acullengirl said, we live in modern times now and Mormon kids have access to the television and the movie theatre and the music and the internet and so...they are not naive about the permissive sexual additudes that many of the world's cultures are drowning in. Parents try to teach their children about sexual responsibility and to wait until they are married before engaging in a sexual relationship. Some do. And some do not. And as in the rest of culture, while people will talk about a boy and girl who've gotten 'into trouble' they're not gonna be run out of town on a rail because of it.
Mormons are a 'peculiar' people (by their own admission) because of their advanced Christian beliefs (some say heterical because they've believe in more than just the Bible and in modern day revelations from God) and because of what is deemed, their old fashioned sexual morals. But they are not a cloistered people. They live in the modern world. Although they like to say...'we are in the world, but not OF the world'. That is the ideal but not too many can live by that creed.
Did I answer your question or is there something else you'd like to know? Some more specifics perhaps?
My family lives in South Salt Lake (South and West Jordon). My youngest sister and her family live in that gorgeous new development, Daybreak. I've also got lots of relatives down in Utah County (American Fork, Orem, Provo and Springville).
If you don't want to say where in Utah you live, I understand completely but I am coming back in August for my niece's wedding. She's getting married in the (I can't spell it), but it's the temple in the Daybreak development and they live just two block from it. She is literally going to walk through the neighborhood in her wedding dress. I just love that! Anyway...
I'd sure love to meet you. Maybe as the time gets closer we could make arangements? If you'd like. If not, I understand completely.
Oh and thanks about me being "right on". I don't know about that. I'm just a yapper with lots of opinions and not shy about expressing them. And that's all they are, just my opinions. I know that I can come off like I'm spouting the 'word of God' but I'm not. Not at all. But thank you for the compliment.
Thanks Nik and Cullengirl; I think you have answered my questions. :-) Although Mormonism and Judaism are, as you say, somewhat similar in some ways, (as in, it is a way of life, not just a set of beliefs or a 2 hour thing to think about once a week), more traditional and chassidish Judaism is much more insular, more similar to the Amish and possibly the Mennonites Am not sure; I have spent time with the Amish but not the Mennonites). I am one of the only ones in my crcle of friends I know with a TV, and I go to movies, and listen to and enjoy rock. But I am a total anamoly. Most chasidsh (or chassidic) and mitnagdish (very orthodox but against the chassidic movement) homes will not have TVs, will not allow internet, movies, etc, and for the most part the kids are ok with it. Every now and then you have a rebel, like myself. I left home at 15 and sang in a rock band, but always kept my faith and pretty strict practice although not always according to the establishment. In some ways, my daughter is stricter than I; My grand-daughters do not watch TV, and only see movies on dvd that my daughter OK's, or that she will take them to see. She pre-reads what they will read. I have a feeling she will either preview, or ask me to preview, BD when it comes out.
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Oh and emma, clue on to the fact, you've been dead annoying, and when someone proceeds in winding someone up, they aren't going to be a very happy bunny. Anyone with half a brain would clue onto that. It doesn't mean they have anger management, for you I think you do. And you have short time memory loss because you only remembered one thing throughout all my comment. "if you like Rob fine", is that all the world comes to? And obviously it's not fine. Because you've been a bitch. You'll be a bitch to anyone on here, regardless of whether they like Rob. You're a bitch. You need to have therapy for that.
@Kstew and Emma
I have no idea what you are all fighting about, but please stop. I know you are oth angry and rightfully so, but jst don't comment on each other. If either one of you make a comment the other doesn't like just disregard it. This is not worth fighting over.
I'm all about a good debate and sometimes certain individuals on this site take it as hostility, but the name calling isn't getting you anywhere. It is way off topic. I don't expect you girls to be friends..just ignore eachother. Not everything is going to be dandy on this website if someone brings up Kristen, but please be mindful that some people love her and some done and then there are those who really don;t give a damn either way. Just try and see where people are coming from.
Please don't attack me. I know its not my business and you are free to disregard what I say as well.
How bout those Lakers?!?
Oops... off the thread topic. Let's try it again:
How bout those E-mails?!?! Chivalry lessons in a box. Maybe Blackberry should create a special Pappa P app, with instant tips on how to behave in an old-fashioned classy manner? Looks to be a big market for it right here...
...Wow i've read almost all the comments from this thread & I knew something like this (swearing & bitching) would happen especially when someone mentions the "K"word. @ Steph is legit ITA!!
I went out after work, but have to add my comments about this video before it's off the page ....
What a beautiful idea to read those emails. Perfectly done, tone, comic timing, expressions and the affection for his dad? I'm still staggered his charisma. He couldn't have made this interview more perfect. He's got the midas touch - this can only endear him to new fans. Beautiful!
Rob is definitely getting cheekier these days, but in a good way. He's much wittier and confident but not cocky imo, I don't believe there are any barbs here. The comments with ER are nothing. Not everyone adores Rob - so what? What upsets some people clearly doesn't upset him. I bet he's got more important things on his mind. 2 years back there was huge upset about Russell Brand cutting Rob's speech off but was Rob offended?
In his own words: "Nope!"
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=m1oNhKIMRrA
@TotallyRobbed i'm sure Rob doesn't even think about the Emma comments anymore....people just need to chill! I've saw a headline saying 'Robert Pattinson called Team Jacobs fans tasteless' I mean wtf?
Ladies! Ladies! Please stop. The bitching and the bitch backs are uncalled for. Such a shame when all we want to do is admire the pretty. Aaah! the preeetttty! :)
Yea, the Kid. LMAO
@ Steph is Legit
I agree with you. Nice to see you around. And emma and kstewrocks Steph and I are great examples of ladies who don't have the same apresioation of kristen. (I love her and Steph not so much) But I still love steph haha!
Yeah, let's think about Rob saying he's going to be naked in Bel Ami.
That was meant to say "appreciation" oops!
Thank You Grace!!!
Everyone, I hope we can all just get along. I know how cliche that sounds, but it is true. We all need to see where other people are coming from and no one is right or wrong. I'd be lying in saying that I am just an innocent commenter myself. I know I inadvertently start issues and for that I am sorry.
Anyway I don't think Rob will be full frontal naked, but according to him we get some "ass crack" lol.. either way, I'll take it!
Yes Jmm4832 lets talk about that! :-)...I'm more excited to watch Bel Ami& WFE than BD. Ya I cant wait to the pretty naked!
Just about to step outta the house and thought I'd take a quick peek in to see if this thread had mangaged to not revert back to the fighting. It did. And I tried so hard to turn it. And I believe I made an error in judgement the other day.
I defended one of the two ladies having this 'personal' fight on a 'public' blog and I clearly made a mistake. My defense was of the more vocal of the two who is essentially standing on the edge of a cliff screaming into the wind...pretty much all by herself.
I got slapped and deleted the other night for ONE catty personal comment, but you have raged on for post after post. Even after the thread had been turned, you brought it back to continue on with your fight and the intensity of your language is getting worse as you've now engaged in name calling. I won't defend you again.
The other young lady? She and I and Solas got into a debate yesterday about Twilight. We strongly disagreed and we all stuck to our guns, but there was no nastiness or name calling.
Why do people come to this blog, knowing the kind of community we've got here, and purposefully try to tear it up? I'll never understand why someone would expend the time and energy to do so.
@Loisada
you crack me up girl, I was thinking the same thing, I have avoided this thread like the plauge today. Let's just all agree to disagree because the world would be a boring place if we all agreed on the same thing.
No Steph...
I don't think were gonna get a frontal shot...this time, but one day, we might. He's European afterall and those actors don't seen to have the inhibitions of American actors. Since he's obviously able to overcome his nerves enough to be naked on a set full of people (Little Ashes, Remember Me and now Bel Ami), what's the next step? Yeah. The camera. Who's to say? But were definitely gonna get a bum shot or two.
I wanna bum shot in Breaking Dawn (yeah right). Picture this...
Bella is on the beach in her little bikini facing the water. It's a gloriously beautiful sun shiney day. Edward steps up out of the water walking towards her. We see him sparkle in all his godlike glory. And with the camera on her face, he steps into the frame and from behind we see the camera as it pans down his body until he's in a long shot, completely nude walking towards her, like a god rising up out of the sea and we see the her face as he's getting closer and closer to her until he's standing right before her. And at first she's awestruck and then she grins up at him and expression says...
It's mine. It's all MINE!!!
And he goes down on his knees to her and he begins to make love to her and this is where she tells him, this was my dream that woke me up last night and made me cry. This is what I dreamt and now it's real.
Something like that. Wouldn't that be a scene that would send women to the emergency room in droves?
I need a shot of oxygen just thinking about it.
That would be tame enough for a PG-13 wouldn't it? And if they gave us a shot like that, then the love making on the beach could end with the kissing. That particular scene wouldn't have to be taken further.
Why the hell am I not writing this? You are dummy. You have. They're just not reading it.
Oh.
NIk thanks a hole hell of a lot, now what am I suppose to do nothing can touch the girly bits for five more weeks, thanks for the visual babe I all kinds of hot and bothered now
LMAO!!!!
@NIk
LMAO I wish you were the screenwriter lol. I like your version x100 more haha.
Rob is going to quit acting and make a porno just to make all of us happy..They're also going to blur out the female costar so we are all the "star".. true story i made up
anyways.. i'm going out to celebrate happy hour 2 hours later than necessary AKA rewatch the WC matches at the bar.. I shall be on later
Keep the peace ladies =)
@ nikola6
I noticed earlier you said you wished you could record what you saw online of Rob. You and can with zd soft recorder. http://www.zdsoft.com/
I'm wondering if (despite the younger members of their audience), if they feel that they can maybe push that envelope just a bit (nothing nasty, graphic or vulgar), but more erotic maybe because they are man and wife. That there would be a properness to it. Maybe even Meyer wouldn't have a problem with it. So long as the scenes are done tastefully. And even playfully. Ya know? I'm wondering. They just can't fade to black or show us the waves crashing onto the beach or else the grownups in the audience are gonna groan and throw their popcorn at the screen.
Hmmm...maybe they'll go for it. Just a little?
nik--you were raised as Mormon; do you know the values enough to determine how much SM would allow?
Nik, Amen.
You know it is possible to have a debate, discussion, argument without resorting to name calling and back stabbing. My husband routinely likes to take an opposing view just to exercise his considerable intellectual muscles. Sometimes I do think he is trying to get a rise out of me but mostly it is just to have the pleasure of a good debate. He is never hurtful or nasty. It can be done. By the way, I almost always lose because he is a whole lot smarter than I am. But I don't call names either.
PS Anybody else ready to go to the beach?
So then...
Everybody's girly bits are a tinglin' are they? Outstanding! My job is done. Oh that's okay. You don't have to thank me. It's what I'm here for. LMFAO!
Just keep that shot in mind ladies...
Edward. Naked from behind. Rising up out the sea like a sparkling god in the sunshine all wet and dripping. Walking. No. Sauntering up to his wife. The wife he's waited nearly a century for. And he's about to make the earth move with her.
Okay. I need to go turn up the AC.
Love you guys. heh heh
@Laurie I am, I have my beach towel packed
Solas...
I gotta run out for a bit. But I promise I'll come back here and answer that question about Meyer and Mormon values and Edward and Bella behaving like newlyweds.
Just check back here or I'll track you down on another thread.
And once again...please. I'm begging. We can disagree. I'm very opinionated and very vocal and I disagree all the time. And others disagree with me. And that's fine as disagreeing is a part of human communication, but...we don't have to tear each other or this blog up to do it.
I fear that if it doesn't stop, were going to have a mass exodus around here.
I personally have no desire to see anyone naked, unless I am happly married to him, but I wouldn't deprive any of you of your fun or desires. ;-)
Nik- am looking forward to it.
Laurie--I love to discuss/border-on-argue, especially on a topic about which I am passionate, and I also do sometimes take an opposing view, not to exercise my intellectual 'muscles,' but rather because I love to understand as much as possible about many many subjects, and coming up with different possble views, turning them in my mind to see dfferent angles, helps both in arguing and in understanding and even getting along with others. ;-)
@Solas that is one of the values you are questioning, yes I was also raised in the LDS ( Mormon) church, but I was afraid to answer beacuse people are so quick to judge here. As far as what Steph will allow I have no clue we all have our own personal morals and values my fam just got back from the movies and now I am getting kicked off the computer my kids want to play on it.
solas,
I cannot imagine that SM would condone anything that was not within her comfort zone. I will be interested to see what Nik has to say.
As an artist I like the human form and find it quite beautiful (and sometimes funny or vulgar too). But as much as we all tease and joke about it I do not think I would find an overdose on the big screen very erotic. It would end up being like a nudist camp, eh, so what? As Rob said, they've seen it all before. I don't really think Rob would be comfortable with it either. He's willing to do it if necessary but will it truly be necessary?
One of the most erotic scenes I have ever seen was not on True Blood where they do show almost everything, but from MI5 when the lead character, Tom, was in bed with his then girlfriend, Ellie. All you as the audience could see was his bare shoulders, the back of his head and part of her face. He just started moving ever so slowly and anyone who is sexually active knew exactly what was happening. She said something like "What is that?" and he says "You knew what it was last night." It was unbelievably erotic. I think they could do something similar in BD and make everybody happy without a lot of nudity and explicit sex scenes. Just my opinion.
Ok, I just watched the interview again and while Emma Roberts isn't overly friendly, I didn't think she was truly rude. She actually laughed pretty heartily at Rob's comment and now realize she was trying to be funny when she made the comment about having to sit next to him (in response to JL's comment "So I guess this will be the LAST time you 2 meet")
I think on the first viewing I was being biased because I expect everyone to fawn and gush over Rob because he's Rob. Everyone MUST find him charming and adorable, right?
I highly recommend a second viewing...
Why do I feel like I'm laying on my back, sand hugging me, and the sun shining so bright and hot? MMmmmm Sunkissed skin and a cool wet tongue. Back arching with lil whimpers coming outa my throat? Just me???
@Solas I can answer you if you want me too about mormon values, just let me know, the kid that took the computer away from me just got herself grounded to her room for talking back to her father so now I have it back to talk.
laurie, thanks; I think a human body CAN be beautiful but not all are, although I appreciate the intrinsic beauty of the whole system. I thnk ther is unbelievable, beyond-earthly beauty n love-making, when there is love, but I don't want to see that beauty expressed by others. It is so deeply intensely personal; it is, to me, literally intimate. But I have an intense sense of privacy, and that includes privacy of the body--not only my own, but other people's bodies as well. Even if THEY don't mind exposing themselves, I do mind seeng them exposed. I just don't want to invade other people's privacy, including their private bodies, even if they are acting.
acullen--I would love to hear from you as well. And part of what I would like to understand is if there is a firm rule (like--view no nudity of prvate parts other than your own or your spouse's) or if there is flexiblity, like a bottom line (like--don't vew that whch will arouse you to commit a wrong) and then details left up to each individual.
HOW BOUT THEM REDSKINS???~!!!
@ solas
How would you feel about seeing.... say an Amazonian tribe or something. where they where very little if anything?
I'm just interested as I was raised in a VERY STRIKED faith where we were discourage from even wearing skirts above our knees. I still believe in that faith. But I'm now much more open minded. I believe love should always come before sex. But I'm very open about the human body. Maybe it's because I'm European. On our local beach families, mothers go topless running around the beach after there naked toddlers and nobody blinks an eye. I think in some ways it's the tradition that says nudity is shameful. Something to hide. I was a nude art model at a well known art university and there the mind set is the body is a beautiful work of art. I think we all feel that the body is more about sex than art or beauty. which is a shame. I remember when my son was born and he was naked. I thought it was the most beautiful site I'd ever seen. But we live in a pervy world, so I don't think I would like to walk down the street in the buff being ogled.
that was meant to say "wear" not "where" it's late here. "yawn!"
@Solas the church has given guidelines to it's members and has left it up to each individual to decide for themselves what they want to do, for some viewing nudity might lead them into doing something like committing adultry or hurting women, for others it does not effect them. We have all been given free agency. Stephanie Meyer did put sex in her book but she did it in a way that her teenage readers were not told flat out, but she did it after they were married and she has taken a lot flack for it from members of the church, sex before marriage is another priciple, we are taught to wait until we are married,why some ask well one because sex brings a whole other level to a relationship and teenagers for the most part are not ready for that, two sex leads to children if you dont take precautions and teenagers are not ready for that also the problem lies with most Mormon parents ingraining in their children that sex is bad and that is how most of us were raised, not me, my parents were very open with us, I am the same way with my teenage daughter and I take a lot of flack for it from friends and family. I tell them I would rather her hear it from me than her friends that might not know what they are really talking about.
some parent at my daughters school last year started a petetion to take the Twilight books of the shelves in the school library because she said that the kids were being taught that sex was ok, I headed the other side of the debate and the books are still in the library to this day.
a lot of people think all Mormons are just prudes that is not the case like every religion there are degree's and some take it to far. Do I drink achohol no but that is not just because of my religion, my best friend was killed by a drunk driver I was in the car and because of the accident I lost my scholorship in college and it ended my dancing career I promised myself and my friend that I would never drink achohol again, we both had had some at a party that night and because there was alcohol in my friends system the driver that hit us only got five years in prison, he was out in two. everything is a choice most are just guidelines and if you look at it, it benefits most people like dont smoke well not just Mormon's think that way, dont do drugs dont put harmful things in your body. Do I drink caffeine I use to but I realised that i was so addicted to it I had to get off, do Mormons drink caffeine yes a lot of them do. As far a sex within your marraige anything goes as long as you are both comfortable with it and it is behind closed doors,
I am being kicked off the computer again but by my husband this time, jeeze I need my lap top I crashed it and it will cost more to fix than buy a new one I will talk to you later I hope that answered some of your questions I am not very good at saying what I want to say it always sounds so good in my head until I write it out.
@ Laurie
I've never watch M15. Is that spooks? And what episode was that?
Good evening to everyone who is perusing this post to comment - apart from the apparent disagreement betweeen the individual posters - the responses were very impressive - some of them very witty.Thanks to Kat and C/O for the prompt post of the interview some of us who can not make it at odd hours can watch it here.I am going to miss this blog for a fortnight - will miss the Premiere (additionally- not to mention the fear of flying- transatlantic flight)and the subsequent press coverage for I will be visting Europe . Good luck to those who will attend the Premiere and the fans here who have decided to meet in L.A for the same.( including the artist them selves).
thanks
Good evening to everyone who is perusing this post to comment - apart from the apparent disagreement betweeen the individual posters - the responses were very impressive - some of them very witty.Thanks to Kat and C/O for the prompt post of the interview some of us who can not make it at odd hours can watch it here.I am going to miss this blog for a fortnight - will miss the Premiere (additionally- not to mention the fear of flying- transatlantic flight)and the subsequent press coverage for I will be visting Europe . Good luck to those who will attend the Premiere and the fans here who have decided to meet in L.A for the same.( including the artist them selves).
thanks
@ acullengirl
Good post. I had a relationship with a very well raised London boy. He was very much like Rob actually. Very tall, shy but funny, a little girly but very masculine. He also came from the same class and had a wonderful posh voice hehe!
We didn't have the same values though. He believed it was ok for to consensual adults to have... for want of a better word, "A f**k buddy" I hate that expression.
We had a huge debate about it. He said "I don't see the problem. If it's what they both want and now one gets hurt." I told him "you have to consider every time you have sex with someone, there's a potential to create a child with that person. Even if you use protection. A condom is 99% 98% safe. That means every time you have sex with that woman there’s a 1 or 2% chance she will be having your child. So before you do have sex you have to ask yourself "would I want a child with this woman?"
Grace,
Yes, MI5 is spooks. The character Tom Quinn was only on the show from 2002 to 2004 so I think the episode I mentioned must have been in the first or second season. I don't have the DVDs or I would look it up for you. It has been a long time since I saw that particular episode and it has still stuck with me.
acullen-thanks so much for your response! although my first doctorate was in religion, I do not know every specfic detail or attitude, especially in day-to-day human terms, of each person's path.
In some ways, we are similar; I do not drink alcohol other than on sabbath on HOly days, and even then it is just one cup of sacremental wine; this is not a religious restriction but rather dislike for alcohol and lack of control, but especially because one of my sisters was killed in a car crash by a guy who just had a few beers--alc level was below legal limit yet inhibted his reflexes enough to ram her car before he could stop himself. I don't believe in doing deliberate harm to the body, includng smoking, and even if I were not religious, I would believe the same. We were raised to dress pretty modestly--not to expose the knee or elbone or collarbone, and women not to wear trousers. When near or in a religious community, I follow this; on my own far awy from pryng eyes, I prefer jeans and tshirt. We were also raised that woman's voce was not allowed to be heard by men because it might seduce them and cause adultery. I do not follow this and got a lot of trouble for it.
I was not raised wth the idea that sex is bad; it simply wasn't talked about and for the most part we didn't even know what to ask. Whatever we did ask, we were told we would find out when we got married. We were very sheltered and naive. I think innocence is good, not necessarily ignorance or naivete when out in the world. I personally think sex in the right situation in the right way, with love, is one of the best blessings G-d came up with, but can be terrible if not with the right person in the right way.
In the religious path I walk, there are bottom lines and indivdual expressons about those bottom lines, but community and authorties often inflict their specific expressions on everyone else. It is a big problem for me; I have been blacklisted from some religious places and many clients have left due to religious authority's pressure on them about me. (I don't follow the party line; I go on the internet, i watch TV and I see movies, and I even have sung in public! The horror--the horror!)
To me, the bottom lines are: all humans are created in a spiritual reflection of G-d; loving one's neighbour (and all humans on the planet are our neighbours) as one's self (and you have to love yourself to fulfill that); repairing the world even if one step at a time; if you are not part of the soluton, you are part of the problem. Wthin the context of this conversation, though, I do value personal privacy and modesty-- again, not because I thnk nudity is bad or sex is bad, because I don't, but because it is not for public consumption, use, or even enjoyment.
@Cullengirl, thanks for sharing that. One of my best friend's sister and her family are Mormons (she was not raised as one) so we discuss their values a lot and how her nieces are being raised.
Other than the obvious access to everything Rob here, I really love this Blog for what I learn and the the diversity of the people here from all over the world and many walks of life. My friend at work today always calls Rob "Edward" and knows my obsession to a degree, but she mentioned all the teen fans and I stopped her cold. I said it's so much bigger than that, trust me, most of the people are in my age group or close to it. I wanted to tell her about the English professor, the devout Chassidic psycologist, the writer, the mother of 10, the student working on her degree, the many wives, mothers, and grandmothers here, etc. but I realized it might be too much information. Despite the crap that gets stirred up now and then, it's still a community and I'm so thankful for it and to the lovely ladies who have given us access to Rob, but one another as well.
Not to course any more trouble for emma whatsherface or anythink (I think she was joking) has anybody seen this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArIb8gc1R0A&feature=player_embedded
Haha! Too funny!
@ Laurie
Thanks for that. I'm going to try to look it up in the net.
Here's a better quolity from the show.
http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/monday-june-7-2010/1232768/
Poor Rob Haha!
@Graceful, funny, but really does anyone think that Rob's ego is that fragile that he would be offended by anything she would say? His expression walking by her is not wanting to get caught in the interview by camera. He may not like her a lot 'cause she's a bit young and shallow for his taste, but he could give a care.
lallieb, Nik, grace, kATE, and all:
I started viewing this blog purely out of curiosity about Rob. I have found great enjoyment reading and learning about all the women who blog here. With the exception of the few who visit only to stir trouble, I am impressed with the variety of countries, cultures, age range, religions,family backgound and occupations of all who chat here. I would like to give all of you a big hand of applause. Maybe there is really some hope for the world if a group of so differing individuals can come to gather and enjoy each other and learn. My daughters tease me about my Rob fascination. I explained to them that getting to know you guys has been a real joy and maybe a more interesting and lasting experience than stalking Rob. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy his pictures and interviews. But he is after all for me, just a fun fantasy since I am old enough to be his grandmother plus some. I like to think we met in a former life and just haven't broken the connection!!!!! (smile)
Again, Ladies, take a bow, and give yourself a hand! We seem to be accomplishing more for world understanding on a daily basis than the United Nations!
HAVE A HAPPY!
@ lallieb
Rob is like "Dean lets sneak past quickly and hope interview guy doesn't stop us"
"pheew! thank Emma for the distraction"
Interview guy "Damn! I missed talking to the real star of the show because I was talking to this kid!" Haha!
grace - i asked you on the other thread where it was but now i see it on the youtube site...the music is really funny when he walks by...like a real confrontation LOL. he was probably just happy he got by without being stopped :))
@ olejp
What a lovely comment. I'm sure I can speak for everyone in saying we all feel the same.
My best friend is not a Rob/Twilight fan :( and she doesn't get why I come on here. I read some of the comments to her sometimes, to show her it's not all about Rob, even when it's all about Rob. Sometimes it fun, sometimes it's mind opening and sometimes it's educational. I'm not a big fan of chatting to people online. Like on MSN. I keep it set to off line haha! But on here it's good to mean such diverse and amazing people.
@ Ana73
Just replied to your comment there. Haha! oops!
That's what I was thinking. A skeaky escape! :)
Oops! *Sneaky*
Thanks for putting this up since I missed it. x
Its says so much about Rob's character that he puts so much stock in his parents advice. I love how embarrassingly red his dad turned when the emails were read.
@Solas, thank you I have been afraid to let people know about my background because some are so quick to judge, it is amazing to me how many people beileve the same things that I do. we are all human beings put on this earth to learn and grow and become the best we can be, saying that I do not like it when people become rude and caddy and put people down for their view on something we are all entitled to our own opinions but we dont need to disrespect someone when they disagree with us, and if I have ever done that on here I apologize
My FAVORITE interview ever of Rob on any talk show. He was articulate, kind, respectful, witty, clever, sensitive, sincere, polite, a little edgy, thoughtful, gorgeous and how I loved it when he put Emma in her place!!!
TEAM ROB FOREVER!!!!!!
ok Nik--I am much too tired so hope you will write your take on it and I will look for it in the morning.
*yawn, it's too early in the morning to make a mod post*
Please "fight" with grace if you have to fight. Don't call people names or curse at them.
We don't delete comments but there's a line. You can disagree without calling people morons or telling them to fuck off.
Thanks,
Gozde
Hello, my name is Kember.
I'm the antagonist of this lil modern masterpiece we call blog Ă la belle Robert Pattinson.
I'll be here for humor, grammar, inside jokes, and just plain making an ass out of myself. I like it, it's fun.
If you ever have a question, anything at all. I'll be sure to not tell you. There by making urself look like a know-it-all and me a dumbass, because....
THAT. IS. WHAT. I. DO.
:D
And I'm drunk.
CARRY ON~!!!
*waves big to gozzy like a tard*
Har :)
Be good Kember :)
I'm trying honey. I'm trying, but you know it's hard. :)
Lurve You Goz.
LOL, now I know you really are drunk :P
No cursing!
Blog police :)
Oh Sh*t. What am I supposed to f^ckin' do now.
Sh*t
P*ss
@ss
Dyk
@sshole
F^ckwit
C^nt
Non-committal c^m dribbling h00r
OK, it might be outa my system.
Motherf^ckin' c*ck-swallowing b!tch
OK, maybe now.
Lurve You, Goz. :)
hey ladies and good on ya mates! all you ya ya sist-ah's are making my life bearable again.
had to leave oklahoma to get peace. but also left a rather large chunk of my soul, heart. I am trying to get to a spot in life now to rebuild it...and I've been looking at Robsessed a little more and a little more but seems to be the same ole thing where someone says something waaaaay out of line and then everyone just jumps on it. but I guess that is the net.
Nik?! Wow! gf good to finally see your posts again. and really good that you used to know? or still do Jamie and Chris! I always thought it would be fun to know people like them...artists! Ya Ya!
And the emma thing? not even worth commenting on ...Rob took care of it. God I love him still so much. and even more since seeing that interview.
@lmjabara long time no "see", its good to have you back!!!!
I know its random - but thats not his Iphone isn´t it?
Nik--I looked for your response--did you post it anywhere? Please let me know!
It just took me longer to read this post than it did to read Eclipse!! lol x love all the comments - its been a great bun fight!!
bun fight?
Sorry Solas...
I got distracted last night and then actually fell asleep. What's up with that? LOL! Okay then.
Because of her Mormon values, how far do I think Meyer is going to allow them to take the sex in BD?
Well here's the thing. She wrote the words. She described these intimate situations. A few examples...
* Edward "channeled the excess" by biting pillows and gouching out headboards? What did "excess" mean? He was experiencing orgasm.
* "They're bodies tangled gracefully into one." What did this mean? He entered her body. They joined together as one. They began sexual intercourse.
* While in bed together, they were talking for several mintues and then began laughing over something and the way in which their bodies were together, the effect of the laughter on their bodies immediately began another round of love making. What did that mean? That even though they weren't engaged (during their pillow talk) in the act of physical sex, their bodies were still connected. He was still inside of her.
She wrotes these scenes. She didn't write them explicitly, but they were graphic enough that you knew what she was trying to convey. And if she can write them in her book (for 'young readers' no less) then why can they not be adapted to the screen? I think they can as long as they are done tastefully. I don't think we need to see two naked bodies writhing around together, but how do they avoid the depection of a sexual union between these two as this is what the entire story was leading up to? And the birth of their child which was the result of...correct. They had sex. From the moment these two laid eyes on each other, THIS is where the story was leading. So in the climax (pardon the pun) of the story, how do they dance around this?
And Meyer is big on the ICONIC moments in the book. For instance...in the first film they weren't going to include the line, "and so the lion fell in love with the lamb." Why? Because in the film they had made no reference to Edward being compared to the lion and because of that, the line had no frame of reference. But Meyer INSISTED that this line be included because it was so iconic in the story. I remember she said that people had those words tatooed on their bodies. So, they included it. And I wondered at the time if those who hadn't read the book and because it had no frame of reference in the film, if they even had a clue as to what that line meant. And name me two other iconic moments in this story? Huge moments. The leg hitch, which is in Eclipse because we've seen the still photo AND...
Him biting that pillow in BD with the feathers flying come morning. In fact, that just might be the most iconic moment in the story. The most memorable. Even more than headboard gouching. If they omit that scene...oh dear.
This post is getting too long. A second please...
NIk, I agree she wrote it, but I don't agree that 1- everyone knew totally what it meant, and 2-using words especially those that refer to things people (some teens, sheltered as I was and as many in my family are) have not experienced yet is equivalent to depicting it visually, where it is in your face.
Not many in my religious path will read these books or see the movies, and so I wonder if any other paths, such as Mormonism, raise the girls also fairly sheltered where they would not relate to these descriptons but could not escape the meaning if it was in film. I know my 12 year old grand-daughter would not get what was going on-'-chanelling excess', bodies laughing together, etc; I was not so sure she ought to read this book but her mother, my older daughter, said that my grand-daughter just kind of skips over stuff she doesn't understand (she does the same with vocabulary, even though I tell her to look up the words she doesn't know!).
I know for sure that I, and my friends, even at age 16, would not have gotten any of these refernces; we would have thought the pillow biting was smiply becasue he was thirstng for her blood and didn't want to bite her; we had no concept at all of, had never heard of, a man being inside of a woman, etc.
But my question was more about wondering if SM, considering her culture, would want visual representation of what she verbally described; am wondering if Mormon girls (can they even be thought of unilaterally, or are there, as Cullengrl describes, allowances for individual interests, even in teens) are naive enough where this would be too much for them.
@solas I know you asked Nik this question but living in utah and having atleast 30 mormon girls from the ages of 12-18 living right in my neighborhood might give you a better idea, most if Not all of the girls that have read the Twilight books Know they had sex and every one of the parents let their children read the books, I would say all of the older girls the ones in high school know and have said they understand everything, everything is out there for our children to see these days had these books come out back when I was twelve I probably would have had no clue even though my parents were pretty open with us. The church leaders have told paretns to talk openly with their chilren if they come and ask questions they have also told parents to let their children know what they expect out of them and where they stand on the issue, I think wether the teenager is mormon, catholic, Jewish, if you have a tv in your home if you watch movies if they read books and go to public school they know about it.
@Nik your are so right on as always.
Okay. I'm actually going to answer your question. Guess I just wanted to address why despite her own personal morals, they cannot water this thing down or it will fail. They're playing to more than 12 year olds here and they KNOW IT!
And hi acullengirl...
I didn't know you were LDS too (wwll, how would I?). And I don't worry about being judged 'cause if people aren't going to judge you about being Mormon, they find something else. LOL!
Okay. Now I'm answering. So sorry Solas.
The thing about the Mormon faith is...like the Jews, being a Mormon is not just your religion. It is your culture and it informs every aspect of your life; what you eat, what you drink, what chemicals you take into your body, the type of clothes you wear, they kind of books, tv shows and movies you watch, the music you listen to, how you have sex and with whom and when, your views on such social issues as homosexuality and abortion, on spirituality, immortality, the universe, the nature of man, the nature of God, why we are on this earth, where we came from before birth and where we are going after physical death...EVERYTHING!
And while the church does teach that we have free agency, the right to choose for ourselves when making personal decisions for our lives and that there will be consequences to face both temporal and spiritual if we make the wrong decisions, when it comes to DOCTRINE, there is no wiggle room. Unlike a lot of modern churches, the Mormon church is not a democracy where you can pick and choose which aspects of it you're going to embrace and which you're going to reject. If you're going to embrace this theology, then you've got to do it at full throttle. And I do not know how full throttle Stephenie Meyer is in her practice of the faith.
But as acullengirl said, we live in modern times now and Mormon kids have access to the television and the movie theatre and the music and the internet and so...they are not naive about the permissive sexual additudes that many of the world's cultures are drowning in. Parents try to teach their children about sexual responsibility and to wait until they are married before engaging in a sexual relationship. Some do. And some do not. And as in the rest of culture, while people will talk about a boy and girl who've gotten 'into trouble' they're not gonna be run out of town on a rail because of it.
Mormons are a 'peculiar' people (by their own admission) because of their advanced Christian beliefs (some say heterical because they've believe in more than just the Bible and in modern day revelations from God) and because of what is deemed, their old fashioned sexual morals. But they are not a cloistered people. They live in the modern world. Although they like to say...'we are in the world, but not OF the world'. That is the ideal but not too many can live by that creed.
Did I answer your question or is there something else you'd like to know? Some more specifics perhaps?
And acullengirl...
My family lives in South Salt Lake (South and West Jordon). My youngest sister and her family live in that gorgeous new development, Daybreak. I've also got lots of relatives down in Utah County (American Fork, Orem, Provo and Springville).
If you don't want to say where in Utah you live, I understand completely
but I am coming back in August for my niece's wedding. She's getting married in the (I can't spell it), but it's the temple in the Daybreak development and they live just two block from it. She is literally going to walk through the neighborhood in her wedding dress. I just love that! Anyway...
I'd sure love to meet you. Maybe as the time gets closer we could make arangements? If you'd like. If not, I understand completely.
Oh and thanks about me being "right on". I don't know about that. I'm just a yapper with lots of opinions and not shy about expressing them. And that's all they are, just my opinions. I know that I can come off like I'm spouting the 'word of God' but I'm not. Not at all. But thank you for the compliment.
Thanks Nik and Cullengirl; I think you have answered my questions. :-)
Although Mormonism and Judaism are, as you say, somewhat similar in some ways, (as in, it is a way of life, not just a set of beliefs or a 2 hour thing to think about once a week), more traditional and chassidish Judaism is much more insular, more similar to the Amish and possibly the Mennonites Am not sure; I have spent time with the Amish but not the Mennonites). I am one of the only ones in my crcle of friends I know with a TV, and I go to movies, and listen to and enjoy rock. But I am a total anamoly. Most chasidsh (or chassidic) and mitnagdish (very orthodox but against the chassidic movement) homes will not have TVs, will not allow internet, movies, etc, and for the most part the kids are ok with it. Every now and then you have a rebel, like myself. I left home at 15 and sang in a rock band, but always kept my faith and pretty strict practice although not always according to the establishment. In some ways, my daughter is stricter than I; My grand-daughters do not watch TV, and only see movies on dvd that my daughter OK's, or that she will take them to see. She pre-reads what they will read. I have a feeling she will either preview, or ask me to preview, BD when it comes out.
Okay Solas. Glad we could answer that for you. Whew. I think I broke my brain here. LOL!
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