Probably a couple of us will put up Edward's words for you. Here's what I heard:
"Bella had been getting closer to Jacob throughout New Moon and now they have a very strong bond. Edward is still relatively resentful of that and becomes increasingly, and openly resentful throughout Eclipse. But eventually he is called upon to accept his help and the rest of the wolf pack's help to defeat Vicoria's army of newborns."
I have two HUGE issues with this clip. First, it seems that MR can't even give us the little moments of comfort, the small things that show us that, despite everythign else going on, Edward & Bella love each other and are a solid unit. In the book, this conversation happens while Bella is in Edward's arms. They are TOGETHER and facing this as a couple. Not standing on separate ends of a room with 5 people and a million miles between them while they both look scared and terrified and one of them downright in pain (wanna guess which one?).
Second, contrary to what MR would like us to apparently believe, it is Jacob who suggests Bella go to LaPush and Bella resists the idea, knowing it would upset Edward. You see, in the book, she actually LOVES him and cares about his feelings.
This just keeps getting worse and worse. How is it possible that we don't see those key moments that make them what they are??? I mean, is it too much to ask that the beautiful love story told in the novels actually, at some point, makes an appearance. I would really like to see Edward & Bella in love. I mean, that is what The Saga is about, right? Maybe Rob was right. This is becoming a horror film.
@Est, “Bella had been getting closer to Jacob throughout NM and now they have a very –ah- a very strong bond, and Edward is still relatively resentful of that and becomes increasingly, ah openly resentful throughout Eclipse. But eventually he’s called upon to have to accept his help and the rest of the wolf pack’s help to defeat Vicoria's army of newborns." I hope there aren’t any mistakes!
Bella was getting closer to Jacob in New Moon & Edward is openly resentful eventually he has to accept help from Jacob and the entire wolf pack to protect Bella from Victoria's army...
god they look so much better with darker contact lenses , Edward look so gogeous, i really wish they would get rid of yellow contact lenses for breaking dawn and return to twilight ones - brown ones, cant they see what differense it makes?i really wish bill condon and everyone would realise this!
@dina, ah I never sleep before 3am! Moreover it's exam period so I prefer studying all night and then sleeping all day! There are so many little kids in my neighborhood who yell all day long and I can't concetrate! It's not insomnia, it's the Rob effect!! :)
@vafla it is Rob effect indeed. I used to be like you at your age, studying at night sleeping during the day, as you can see I still do it, you know studying the pretty and not working at all during the day.
jazzgirl - ITA, and i was going to write about that today but you wrote it all. but i read somewhere that MR really liked the jacob character more and thought that bella should have chosen jacob instead (sorry i dont remember where i read it at but it was a while back). i am rereading eclipse right now and i forgot how she acted around him...just seeing him made her happy and when they kissed she wanted to pass out and she was awstruck by his beauty and all of the lovey feely. someone said earlier that when she is with jacob she is all close with him but with edward she isn't that close and ITA with that too. but that's not the actor's fault that is MR's fault. you dont get that diehard love feeling from it. in my interpretation of the book, she never was IN love with jake, she always loved him like a brother, she just never wanted to lose that friendship. ok that's all i wanted to say, sorry for my rant :)
I have read a review of someone who had watched eclipse. He said that in the film you don't get the feeling that Bella is in love with Jake. She looks sad because she hurts him but never in love. Jack is on like 15 min after the start maybe more. She is very str8 forward about her feelings. He thinks that even when they kissed it looked akward. So let's wait and see, time is almost up.
@dina, LOL! Is there a better sort of education than studying the pretty?! Ah, university would be so much more interesting if there was a course about the pretty! With books full of pictures of course!!
girls i couldn't agree with you more,in the book there were parts when i hated bella because of the whole jacob thing but she still loved edward more than anything and she would never hurt him intentionally like she did in that clip when she went with jacob and left edward all alone,I have a feeling I'll hate movie bella because all we see in this clips is just tension and B/E discussing smth or arguing I hope I'm just being paranoid and we still get to see some beautifull B/E moments
MR's screenwriting for the Twilight series so far has annoyed me and I don't expect that annoyance to go away with Eclipse.
I swear she seems to be rewriting the series. I understand that a screenplay based on a book will not be exactly the same with all points but in MR's case it just seems she is ignoring what is already established in the books.
Jacob was manipulative as all hell in Eclpse and hope it isn't written as if he's a Saint. I hope that MR captures the love that Bella and Edward have. She failed miserably in New Moon in writing the pain that Edward felt when he left Bella. Her wrting made it seem so very callous and it was not at all. That scene made the Edward character seem so cold and selfish. I could go on and on about Twilight, so I will not even start!
I have my fingers crossed for Eclipse, that MR's take on the book is not a hatchet job.
It looks more like horror film genre as pointed by dina.
It could at least be not be a lovey - nauseating love story but reasonable one with lead characters atleast appearing to be in love, But we don't know - clips and traillers do not give a fair idea how it is going to be
I don't know how will I be able to watch eclipse,I'll probably have to leave the cinema when B/J kiss,lol I remember reading the book and hating bella in some parts,I have the feeling the movie will be even worse
see i dont agree i like the books, like i said before she wasn't IN LOVE with jake, she just didn't want to lose a friend. but she was IN LOVE with edward and that was blantly obvious. like in the movie they show her leave with jake and she never would have done that in front of edward, behind his back yes, but not in his face. but i do agree let's just see how it plays out in the movie maybe we will be surprised once we see it all come together, i have hope at least.
i do think they should have changed the screenwriters for each movie like they changed the directors, a different person's POV.
dina,dina i read that same piece and i was about to comment but i said let me read before i comment and there it is dina yes you forget to say how annoying jake was,we all cannot wait for 30th ladies,ladies let's be patient!ha,ha
Cant wait for the 30th,actually I get to see it on the 29th at 6:15p.m. lets just hope that we get to see the love between E and B in Eclipse. Eclipse is my favorite book out of the series so I am hoping for the best
I'm going to agree that B&E's love story should be the driving force in the film as in the book. Having said that, Eclipse is sitting over there on my coffee table and I've been rereading to refresh myself on how the story plays out and all the "high points" in it, but SM's descriptives of Bella's feelings are pretty over the top and fantastical (heart beating fast or heart stopping, melodramatic to the extreme)to convey their love. YET, it's why we couldn't stop reading this saga. I too want to see it captured honestly on film, but very few film versions of books have managed to accomplish that. SM worked some kind of magic, and having said THAT, I've always had a problem with MR. Frankly, thought she was the weak link in Twilight and cannot believe she's still onboard. The dialog she gives them is more often than not, awkward and at times incomprehensible, as in that character would never say that (and I read that Kristen had a problem with some of it). It's one thing to read something in a book that might not seem real, and suspend belief, but another when you're watching actual people mouth those words on the big screen. She hasn't worked that magic by a long shot. The magic is there because of Rob & Kristen's portrayal and others in the cast and CH who delivered it. I just got to wonder who does MR know at Summit who got her this job and has stuck with her? They've changed directors for every film, why not the screenwriter?
I just hope we are seeing clips of pieces of events (probably to get everyone's undies in a bunch)... and, that the movie will give us what we are hoping for!
@lallieb, books to movies... it can be done. Two of my all time movies are LoTR's and the Sound of Music. Arwen was in very little of JRR's books, but when Aragorn and Arwen comes together are apart... they were amazing to watch. Just like the Captain and Marie. You get a good scriptwriter and they can do anything. MR is not for these films... either she doesn't seems to get the feeling of Bella and Edward. CH seems to understand and get them... MR did/does not. IMO. @Dina and Evageline, I hope that person who saw Eclipse is telling the truth. This is the first clips that I was happy to watching over and over... without cringing and having them shoving JB down my throat and its just the Cullen family and Mrs Edward Cullens to be. :) Someone mention that she'll have to leave the theatre when the B/J kiss comes on... I plane to hide my face... but, you do know that the Team J will have it all over their avi right?
omg! why is Alice's hair all flat??????? it was so cute in Twilight - like a pixie spikey cut! and carlise's hair is the worst. at least gorgeous jasper looks better with this greasy long cut than the bubble he had in twilight. Bella looks beautiful here. I miss the way Edward looked in Twilight - I think he looks the best then with the "bouffant" as he calls it in the director's version. His hair was darker, I like the plucked eyebrows too. Does anyone agree? Which Edward version do YOU like best???
Newmoon's Edward is the best , Eclipse does not look bad though , Twilight one not so much- looked too practised and fake - esp the makeup ,hair etc- just my opinion!
re Melissa Rosenberg's connections-- her story wrting for Dexter s brilliant. She is quite talented as a book-to-tv screenwriter, perhaps less so as a book-to-movie screenadapter. I think it is a challenge to mush together what are considered important elements and eliminate others, in order to fit the story into a film. Some books are more readily condensed into films than others. Truth is, if something is not really necessary, why is it in the book anyway? So somehow, even important things will be skipped or mushed. Bella went to laPush several times in Eclipse: one time Jacob told her he wished she was dead, one time he forced a kiss on her and she broke her knuckle punching him, another time she had a great campfire and learned the story of the 3rd woman. SO maybe some of these laPush visits can be condensed-- and maybe at least one can be eliminated.
As for loving Jacob, there is a dfference between loving and being in love. She loved Jacob, but wasn't in love, and even at the end, when he felt he had convinced her that she was in love with him, too, and she kissed hm as if in love and then wept, it wasnt that she was really IN LOVE wth him, but that she was in love wth the idea of the life she could have with him, that she saw wth him, a life not possible not only for her fierce love of Edward, but also because of who she was, and because of who Jacob was, with the probability of his imprinting on someone else. For all of the phantastcal elements of her love wth Edward, wth Jacob it was even more of a phantasy that could not happen. Add to that Jacob was selfish, immature, obnoxious, and did not put her first, and you see that Jacob was never a logical let alone emotional choice.
@SOLAS I am feeling lots better today, I actually went to target to pick up my Eclipse soundtrack wich by the way I love more than the New Moon one, and buy a baby gift for my sister-in-law who is having her baby on thursday, it wiped me out I had to come home and take a two hour nap, other than that I am feeling great I am off the pain meds and just taking Ibuprofin.
I get to see it early because my friend rented two movie theaters.
solas,do you think the screen writer or who ever it is is jut showing these parts of the trailers and keeping all the edward love story away from us,because fans and others who say it said there is all of edward,bella romance and i think rob was please and he was quite satisfied with the meadow scene,because they did not do that over,i know it seem to have allot of action because summit trying to get male viewers but if they do not please us with eclipse,what is going to happen with breaking dawn who will go see it
i really wish they would stop using yellow contact lenses they make their eyes look small and not defined ,they should go back to ones they used in twilight i also liked edwards eyebrows more plucked like they were in twilight.
cullengirl--so glad you are on the mend! Stll, take it easy and rest as much as possble! Blessings on yourself, sisterinlaw, and new baby. Glad to hear the soundtrack is good. I finally did get to hear it from this site, but on first hearing I did not like it as much as the the first 2. I like the first soundtrack best. I don't understand what is meant by renting a theatre. HOw can one do that, and how does that make possible an earlier viewing?
evangeline, it could be they are selecting only certan scenes for whatever devous reasons they have. I thnk it wil be good, although I will surely be disappointed if they don't make it the love story between Edward and Bella that it is supposed to be. On the other hand, Edward did have to suffer teh consequences of his leaving, and her bond with Jacob was one consequence; Bella getting tougher is another. I will most likely watch Breaking Dawn when it/they come out. Won't you?
@Solas, our local theater lets people rent out the whole movie theater for private showings, the tickets cost more but only by a dollar, normally they would be $8.50 but I paid $9.75 plus we bought a twenty five dollar gift card for concessions. the thater has a contract with summit to do this, they have to get the OK form them before each movie comes out. It cost my friend five thousand dollars to dollars but of course she got it all back.
solas,hell yes !of course i will see it ,you know what i'm looking at now?twilight i look at it this morning and i want your opinion on this,since rod will be to old to play 18 for unbound captive,do they change scripts so they could make rob be RW younger brother instead of her son,so then he could like 20-21 what do you think,and i cannot remember if it was you in some parts of eclipse you were angry with bella,but my sister only saw NM and she say bella is a slut and edward is to good for her
Eclipse is my favorite book also. Having said that, Robward in IMAX for 2 hours is all good. I may have to see the film a few times before I can focus on the story ;b I know, I know, me so bad.
My daughter loves the Twilight - books. She loves Twilight - movie. She does not like New Moon -Film. And she refuses Eclipse - watch film. She says they do ruin everything. She wants to keep her wonderful imagination - Presentation of this love story from the books. Eclipse is my favorite book. Please let it not become a horror movie. In the clips shown to act now Edward and Bella very distant. Too bad. Let us hope that it's not maintained. Action is quite good but where is the love. Love is the most important .. I say it again that i don`t like the black eyes. so i finish my Blah Blah Blah
Nevertheless Eclipse will be so good . Becauce Rob is there.
Evangeline - he is listed on the JK site. Sorry but he is considered part of the Twi-trinity. Most of the time I do not even realize he is even there because I am so focused on The Pretty, everything else just fades away ;b
I've got a question for you girls. If you don't like MR why then spend money to go and see what most of you think will be a bad movie? Why not just stick to the books and make the movie up in your minds? MR has done a great job so far! It's her job to put into action what Stephenie put down on paper. I don't think anyone of us would be capable of half of the work she done. She's human, not a machine. It's obvious that she puts down her point of view when adapting the books. I wouldn't want her job for all the money of the world. The pressure she must be facing is unbearable. I don't know. I just find it easy to always critisize. Without those people, whether it be MR or Katryn Hardiwicke, no Edward, so no Rob... If think we could show a little more support! It was the same before New Moon and everybody enjoyed it. Now it's Eclipse and we've only seen a few minutes. For all we know, the clips we've seen and just cut-out sequences. So let's be patient and give RM and David Slade a chance....
@jazz-girl ITA. And I agree that it's very hard to adapt books for movies. Not all of MR's work has been bad sofar but frankly not really brilliant either. I haven't given up on the saga - yet - but it's mainly because of the cast. I find the dialogue is sometimes really appalling. I've read one Eclipse script and it seems really pretty close what I've seen in all the trailers and clips sofar. And some of the dialogue in it makes me cringe. Really. I remember hearing Rob say in a recent interview that he found some of his lines were just impossible (because they were so bad - so awfully cheesy - he hinted at that so very clearly). I can understand the shortcuts and adaptations, as long as you stick to the spirit of the book, that's OK by me. But I can't understand the terrible dialogue we seem get more and more often in this series. Bad dialogue can totally ruin a good film. Just my POV though...
hi dina and sis,i have nothing against MR,because i read eclipse 8times and to be honest lots of things i cannot recall,you some fans can tell you every word each character says no me i however remember when bella and jacob kissed and then when edward came back he read jacob's mine and at that point i hated bella because the only time i really was okay with bella was when she becamed a vam and she stop have that whatever she felt for jacob and dina robsessed is the best
I thaught I'm used to Rob's sound structure by now but apparently this was a tough one. Thank you guys for posting his words for non-englist-as-main-language-speaking people :)
I am always hopeful with each movie that Summit will make it better and they have . I spend money on Twilight because I enjoy it. I enjoy the books greatly and want to enjoy the movies too. So far the most I have gotten out of the movies is my appreciation for Rob. I feel the scripts are cheesy and choppy. The characters lack emotion and the wigs, makeup and contacts have been lame. So, yes I worry and complain about the Twilight movies but I also celebrate them too. Sorry but this is a huge franchise and as a fan I have expectations and the movies have been a little weak.I am glad to watch them because I like Rob and Twilight. Did I mention I like Rob.
wow--acullengirl--that sounds so cool--I never knew one could rent out a theatre like that!
evangeline-- I was not the one who was mad at Bella--if anything, I am not happy with the way they are emphasizing Jacob as a contender. And I certainly did not hate Bella or think of herself as a slut. I understand her behaviour and motivations. I don't think Edward is too good for her at all. In fact, a big part of the problem of New Moon and the ensuing conflict and pain was as a result of Edward's well-meaning but inappropriate need to control Bella nd her life. Sure, it was supposedly to protect her, but it also had an udnerlying idea of his own problems facing who and what he was. Even though painful for himself as well, it was easier to walk away and rationalize it was all for Bella and her safety, than to deal with the problems their relationship itself faced. Once he left, and not only left but left Bella with the impression that she wasn't good enough for hm, the door was opened for her to not totally fall for someone as she did for Edward, because he was her one true love, but at least to seek comfort and some companionship with someone else, possibly someone with whom a normal life might be easier. So Edward has to deal with the consequences of his attitude and actions.
Evangeline--as for your questions about changing the scripts as Rob ages beyond the character's age: i know nothing about the film industry; AP and Nik are the experts on that. I will say, though, that 1- even on the stuff we have today of Rob (the interview before the Eclipse Clip) he looks like he is 15, so he can still pull off that age; and 2- In many cultures, and I would think the native Americans in that era (1850s) are included, the children are adults in their teens, and appear older than we think of teens today. I have seen photos of teen warriors and soldiers of that time, and many look much more mature, and aged, than teens and young adults of today. Of course, to myself, the earth mother, they are all still children. ;-)
@Jazz_Girl317...I agree! I've had issues with MR's writing since Twilight, but at least CH directed with the excitement and intensity of new love. I saw in NM how MR made Jacob the sympathetic character, and it seems to repeat itself in Eclipse. I would love to see the love between E&B as well, but fear BD may be our only survivor...although MR may send Jacob on the honeymoon as well! Not holding my breathe on the outcome of Eclipse, but continue to support the love story.
Just a couple of things to say (read comments on my email and skipped on over here). @Solas, smarty pants! MR wrote for Dexter?? I've never seen it, (don't have that cable channel) but hear on good authority that it's brilliant & need to check it out.
@Monique, yes I immediately thought of LOTRs as an obvious successful, amazing, adaptation. I'll add another one, which shows my age, Rosemary's Baby.
@Ana, never apologize for a rant, and your's was not one. Just your articulated opinion and a good one IMO.
Re. MR, she is not responsible (to my knowledge) for the story boarding, condensing of book scenes, etc, she is the one who writes the dialog, the words that brings the characters to life, hopefully retaining the spirit of the book and lifting verbatim here and there (which she did). She can also elevate the book material for the film medium. I just don't think she did very well. Funny, that one of the most famous phrases from Twilight, did not come from her, Rob chose it: "Hold on tight spider monkey!" Silly, but it worked.
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first???
wow.. JUST WOW!!!
cannot wait Eclipse...
Darn I need to be faster! Is it the 30th yet!
Looks great! I like Rob's tie at the beginning, lol.
yep!!!
I need to see it now!!!
I know that Eclipse is going to be awesome!!!
and Bella's hair? it's very good...she's beautiful..
Edward... gorgeous ever!!!
I was too quick to post and I acrewed it up! LOL
What I was trying to say is
I LOVE Edward's hungry eyes! Yummy!!!!
Why can't I type today????? GAH!!!
This has been the DAY THAT KEEPS ON GIVING!!!!!!
Wow..great clip!!!! Daddy Cullen looks very vampirish in the clip!!
LOL
perfect ken-ish Peter's hairdo distracted me
Seriously, i CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ROB SAYS...this is sooo sad!!
My self-esteem is in the ground...
can someone be so kind as to write a resum of what rob says?? Just what he says, i understand the clip
Thanks
The interview for the french mag it's one of Rob's best. Could you please angels post it? There are a lot of things to talk about.
Sorry I cannot comment on the clip because as you all know by know I am a virgin.lol
sorry by now
@Est,
just give me a couple of minutes and I'll post what he says!
@Est-FREE
Yeah it's soooo frusrating
hahahahahaha
us foregin dumbs are thirsty for translation:)
@Vafla. Isomnia has hit you too, right? It's 3 o'clock in the morning ta ehoume peksi telios.
@ dina!! hello girl!!! you are a virgin?? jaajajaj LOL
@ vafla, 25782659826457824657826 thanks
@ papgaj, YES IT IS!!! seriously, i thought i could understand english... my self-esteem...
Est-free
Probably a couple of us will put up Edward's words for you. Here's what I heard:
"Bella had been getting closer to Jacob throughout New Moon and now they have a very strong bond. Edward is still relatively resentful of that and becomes increasingly, and openly resentful throughout Eclipse. But eventually he is called upon to accept his help and the rest of the wolf pack's help to defeat Vicoria's army of newborns."
@dina
It's 2am here and I got used to go to sleep at dawn
heh
I have two HUGE issues with this clip. First, it seems that MR can't even give us the little moments of comfort, the small things that show us that, despite everythign else going on, Edward & Bella love each other and are a solid unit. In the book, this conversation happens while Bella is in Edward's arms. They are TOGETHER and facing this as a couple. Not standing on separate ends of a room with 5 people and a million miles between them while they both look scared and terrified and one of them downright in pain (wanna guess which one?).
Second, contrary to what MR would like us to apparently believe, it is Jacob who suggests Bella go to LaPush and Bella resists the idea, knowing it would upset Edward. You see, in the book, she actually LOVES him and cares about his feelings.
This just keeps getting worse and worse. How is it possible that we don't see those key moments that make them what they are??? I mean, is it too much to ask that the beautiful love story told in the novels actually, at some point, makes an appearance. I would really like to see Edward & Bella in love. I mean, that is what The Saga is about, right? Maybe Rob was right. This is becoming a horror film.
@Est,
“Bella had been getting closer to Jacob throughout NM and now they have a very –ah- a very strong bond, and Edward is still relatively resentful of that and becomes increasingly, ah openly resentful throughout Eclipse. But eventually he’s called upon to have to accept his help and the rest of the wolf pack’s help to defeat Vicoria's army of newborns."
I hope there aren’t any mistakes!
@ Laurie, if a couple of you do that for me, i invite you to come to Spain, I PAY!!! ;)
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!!!
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@ VALFA, THE SAME AS I SAID TO LAURIE
i invite you to come to my city, i pay!! we have sun and beach! ;)
3723562784562378562378 kisses to you
Rob says something like this
Bella was getting closer to Jacob in New Moon & Edward is openly resentful eventually he has to accept help from Jacob and the entire wolf pack to protect Bella from Victoria's army...
@laurie
agree or not
* kissing ur feet*
LOL
@ rpattz, the same, YOU ARE INVITED TO COME TO VALENCIA, SPAIN, AND I PAY FOR YOU ;)
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i love my hungry vampires... those black eyes of edward ... thud...
god they look so much better with darker contact lenses , Edward look so gogeous, i really wish they would get rid of yellow contact lenses for breaking dawn and return to twilight ones - brown ones, cant they see what differense it makes?i really wish bill condon and everyone would realise this!
@ Vafla @RPG
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@dina,
ah I never sleep before 3am! Moreover it's exam period so I prefer studying all night and then sleeping all day! There are so many little kids in my neighborhood who yell all day long and I can't concetrate!
It's not insomnia, it's the Rob effect!! :)
keep talking I won't watch, I won't watch I won't watch.
@ papagaj
i think we are in the same situation ajajajaj well at least we are not alone ;)
@ aaa dina so you're virgin from watching clips from eclipse jajaajaj
ok!
@vafla it is Rob effect indeed. I used to be like you at your age, studying at night sleeping during the day, as you can see I still do it, you know studying the pretty and not working at all during the day.
@est what were you thinking girl? A 45 year old virgin?
jazzgirl - ITA, and i was going to write about that today but you wrote it all. but i read somewhere that MR really liked the jacob character more and thought that bella should have chosen jacob instead (sorry i dont remember where i read it at but it was a while back). i am rereading eclipse right now and i forgot how she acted around him...just seeing him made her happy and when they kissed she wanted to pass out and she was awstruck by his beauty and all of the lovey feely. someone said earlier that when she is with jacob she is all close with him but with edward she isn't that close and ITA with that too. but that's not the actor's fault that is MR's fault. you dont get that diehard love feeling from it.
in my interpretation of the book, she never was IN love with jake, she always loved him like a brother, she just never wanted to lose that friendship. ok that's all i wanted to say, sorry for my rant :)
I agree with Jazz_Girl317. Show me the love, Eclipse!!!!
I have read a review of someone who had watched eclipse. He said that in the film you don't get the feeling that Bella is in love with Jake. She looks sad because she hurts him but never in love. Jack is on like 15 min after the start maybe more. She is very str8 forward about her feelings. He thinks that even when they kissed it looked akward. So let's wait and see, time is almost up.
@dina,
LOL! Is there a better sort of education than studying the pretty?! Ah, university would be so much more interesting if there was a course about the pretty! With books full of pictures of course!!
@ AJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJA
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but i didn't know what were you refering to
;)
girls i couldn't agree with you more,in the book there were parts when i hated bella because of the whole jacob thing but she still loved edward more than anything and she would never hurt him intentionally like she did in that clip when she went with jacob and left edward all alone,I have a feeling I'll hate movie bella because all we see in this clips is just tension and B/E discussing smth or arguing
I hope I'm just being paranoid and we still get to see some beautifull B/E moments
@Jazz_Girl317
MR's screenwriting for the Twilight series so far has annoyed me and I don't expect that annoyance to go away with Eclipse.
I swear she seems to be rewriting the series. I understand that a screenplay based on a book will not be exactly the same with all points but in MR's case it just seems she is ignoring what is already established in the books.
Jacob was manipulative as all hell in Eclpse and hope it isn't written as if he's a Saint.
I hope that MR captures the love that Bella and Edward have. She failed miserably in New Moon in writing the pain that Edward felt when he left Bella. Her wrting made it seem so very callous and it was not at all. That scene made the Edward character seem so cold and selfish.
I could go on and on about Twilight, so I will not even start!
I have my fingers crossed for Eclipse, that MR's take on the book
is not a hatchet job.
It looks more like horror film genre as pointed by dina.
It could at least be not be a lovey - nauseating love story but reasonable one with lead characters atleast appearing to be in love, But we don't know - clips and traillers do not give a fair idea how it is going to be
Show me the Edward and Bella love story not the love the franchise/screenwriter has for Jacob.
i agree!!
reading this book i was thinking...
BELLA IS STUPID OR WHAT???
i don't think i'll be able to re-read it again...
Girls is almost 4 in the morning God,it is never easy to leave the blog and go to bed. Anyways my pillow is calling me. Until tomorrow...
love you all
I don't know how will I be able to watch eclipse,I'll probably have to leave the cinema when B/J kiss,lol
I remember reading the book and hating bella in some parts,I have the feeling the movie will be even worse
see i dont agree i like the books, like i said before she wasn't IN LOVE with jake, she just didn't want to lose a friend. but she was IN LOVE with edward and that was blantly obvious. like in the movie they show her leave with jake and she never would have done that in front of edward, behind his back yes, but not in his face. but i do agree let's just see how it plays out in the movie maybe we will be surprised once we see it all come together, i have hope at least.
i do think they should have changed the screenwriters for each movie like they changed the directors, a different person's POV.
dina,dina i read that same piece and i was about to comment but i said let me read before i comment and there it is dina yes you forget to say how annoying jake was,we all cannot wait for 30th ladies,ladies let's be patient!ha,ha
@Dina
'night!
It's just after 9PM here.
@ agree with dina
it's 3:17 am here...good night ladies
always a pleasure
Cant wait for the 30th,actually I get to see it on the 29th at 6:15p.m. lets just hope that we get to see the love between E and B in Eclipse. Eclipse is my favorite book out of the series so I am hoping for the best
I'm going to agree that B&E's love story should be the driving force in the film as in the book. Having said that, Eclipse is sitting over there on my coffee table and I've been rereading to refresh myself on how the story plays out and all the "high points" in it, but SM's descriptives of Bella's feelings are pretty over the top and fantastical (heart beating fast or heart stopping, melodramatic to the extreme)to convey their love. YET, it's why we couldn't stop reading this saga. I too want to see it captured honestly on film, but very few film versions of books have managed to accomplish that. SM worked some kind of magic, and having said THAT, I've always had a problem with MR. Frankly, thought she was the weak link in Twilight and cannot believe she's still onboard. The dialog she gives them is more often than not, awkward and at times incomprehensible, as in that character would never say that (and I read that Kristen had a problem with some of it). It's one thing to read something in a book that might not seem real, and suspend belief, but another when you're watching actual people mouth those words on the big screen. She hasn't worked that magic by a long shot. The magic is there because of Rob & Kristen's portrayal and others in the cast and CH who delivered it. I just got to wonder who does MR know at Summit who got her this job and has stuck with her? They've changed directors for every film, why not the screenwriter?
I just hope we are seeing clips of pieces of events (probably to get everyone's undies in a bunch)... and, that the movie will give us what we are hoping for!
@lallieb, books to movies... it can be done. Two of my all time movies are LoTR's and the Sound of Music. Arwen was in very little of JRR's books, but when Aragorn and Arwen comes together are apart... they were amazing to watch. Just like the Captain and Marie. You get a good scriptwriter and they can do anything. MR is not for these films... either she doesn't seems to get the feeling of Bella and Edward. CH seems to understand and get them... MR did/does not. IMO.
@Dina and Evageline, I hope that person who saw Eclipse is telling the truth. This is the first clips that I was happy to watching over and over... without cringing and having them shoving JB down my throat and its just the Cullen family and Mrs Edward Cullens to be. :) Someone mention that she'll have to leave the theatre when the B/J kiss comes on... I plane to hide my face... but, you do know that the Team J will have it all over their avi right?
acullengrl--how are you feeling and how do you get to see it early?
omg! why is Alice's hair all flat??????? it was so cute in Twilight - like a pixie spikey cut! and carlise's hair is the worst. at least gorgeous jasper looks better with this greasy long cut than the bubble he had in twilight. Bella looks beautiful here. I miss the way Edward looked in Twilight - I think he looks the best then with the "bouffant" as he calls it in the director's version. His hair was darker, I like the plucked eyebrows too. Does anyone agree? Which Edward version do YOU like best???
sorry-- hate the boufant in Twilight. i will take any other saga version of Edward over that.
Newmoon's Edward is the best , Eclipse does not look bad though , Twilight one not so much- looked too practised and fake - esp the makeup ,hair etc- just my opinion!
I like how he looks now...only not with the too red lips and too paste on white make-up... the man is so damn pretty, why had all that beauty.
re Melissa Rosenberg's connections-- her story wrting for Dexter s brilliant. She is quite talented as a book-to-tv screenwriter, perhaps less so as a book-to-movie screenadapter. I think it is a challenge to mush together what are considered important elements and eliminate others, in order to fit the story into a film. Some books are more readily condensed into films than others. Truth is, if something is not really necessary, why is it in the book anyway? So somehow, even important things will be skipped or mushed. Bella went to laPush several times in Eclipse: one time Jacob told her he wished she was dead, one time he forced a kiss on her and she broke her knuckle punching him, another time she had a great campfire and learned the story of the 3rd woman. SO maybe some of these laPush visits can be condensed-- and maybe at least one can be eliminated.
As for loving Jacob, there is a dfference between loving and being in love. She loved Jacob, but wasn't in love, and even at the end, when he felt he had convinced her that she was in love with him, too, and she kissed hm as if in love and then wept, it wasnt that she was really IN LOVE wth him, but that she was in love wth the idea of the life she could have with him, that she saw wth him, a life not possible not only for her fierce love of Edward, but also because of who she was, and because of who Jacob was, with the probability of his imprinting on someone else. For all of the phantastcal elements of her love wth Edward, wth Jacob it was even more of a phantasy that could not happen. Add to that Jacob was selfish, immature, obnoxious, and did not put her first, and you see that Jacob was never a logical let alone emotional choice.
OMG
Why when he said "bond" Did I hear Bond James Bond in my head.
Seriously, that was intense and Rob shines in every scene I've seen so far.
FML - this movie will kill me.
Then BelAmi and Tan Robowski - I am going to need to take FMLA from work to get over this man.
Anyone want to pay for my therapy??
@SOLAS I am feeling lots better today, I actually went to target to pick up my Eclipse soundtrack wich by the way I love more than the New Moon one, and buy a baby gift for my sister-in-law who is having her baby on thursday, it wiped me out I had to come home and take a two hour nap, other than that I am feeling great I am off the pain meds and just taking Ibuprofin.
I get to see it early because my friend rented two movie theaters.
solas,do you think the screen writer or who ever it is is jut showing these parts of the trailers and keeping all the edward love story away from us,because fans and others who say it said there is all of edward,bella romance and i think rob was please and he was quite satisfied with the meadow scene,because they did not do that over,i know it seem to have allot of action because summit trying to get male viewers but if they do not please us with eclipse,what is going to happen with breaking dawn who will go see it
i really wish they would stop using yellow contact lenses they make their eyes look small and not defined ,they should go back to ones they used in twilight
i also liked edwards eyebrows more plucked like they were in twilight.
cullengirl--so glad you are on the mend! Stll, take it easy and rest as much as possble! Blessings on yourself, sisterinlaw, and new baby.
Glad to hear the soundtrack is good. I finally did get to hear it from this site, but on first hearing I did not like it as much as the the first 2. I like the first soundtrack best.
I don't understand what is meant by renting a theatre. HOw can one do that, and how does that make possible an earlier viewing?
is it JUNE 30??? oh shit i have 22 days to go...
evangeline, it could be they are selecting only certan scenes for whatever devous reasons they have. I thnk it wil be good, although I will surely be disappointed if they don't make it the love story between Edward and Bella that it is supposed to be. On the other hand, Edward did have to suffer teh consequences of his leaving, and her bond with Jacob was one consequence; Bella getting tougher is another.
I will most likely watch Breaking Dawn when it/they come out. Won't you?
How many of you plan to watch it imax?
@Solas, our local theater lets people rent out the whole movie theater for private showings, the tickets cost more but only by a dollar, normally they would be $8.50 but I paid $9.75 plus we bought a twenty five dollar gift card for concessions. the thater has a contract with summit to do this, they have to get the OK form them before each movie comes out. It cost my friend five thousand dollars to dollars but of course she got it all back.
That was suppose to say cost five thousand dollars to rent out the theater.
solas,hell yes !of course i will see it ,you know what i'm looking at now?twilight i look at it this morning and i want your opinion on this,since rod will be to old to play 18 for unbound captive,do they change scripts so they could make rob be RW younger brother instead of her son,so then he could like 20-21 what do you think,and i cannot remember if it was you in some parts of eclipse you were angry with bella,but my sister only saw NM and she say bella is a slut and edward is to good for her
Eclipse is my favorite book also. Having said that, Robward in IMAX for 2 hours is all good. I may have to see the film a few times before I can focus on the story ;b
I know, I know, me so bad.
@Slutty - ITA with the 'bond'.
i just read on rose see site kristen and rob on jimmy kimmel -14 what ever is no dog amen
My daughter loves the Twilight - books. She loves Twilight - movie. She does not like New Moon -Film. And she refuses Eclipse - watch film. She says they do ruin everything. She wants to keep her wonderful imagination - Presentation of this love story from the books.
Eclipse is my favorite book.
Please let it not become a horror movie. In the clips shown to act now Edward and Bella very distant. Too bad. Let us hope that it's not maintained. Action is quite good but where is the love. Love is the most important ..
I say it again that i don`t like the black eyes.
so i finish my Blah Blah Blah
Nevertheless Eclipse will be so good . Becauce Rob is there.
@evangeline - they (all 3 of them) are taping JK on the 14th. It will be shown on the 23rd. Sorry to disappoint.
heart the pretty but why does taylor have to be in everything he is like a third wheel and i did not see his name
Evangeline - he is listed on the JK site. Sorry but he is considered part of the Twi-trinity. Most of the time I do not even realize he is even there because I am so focused on The Pretty, everything else just fades away ;b
well i guess you are right he is part and if i focus on rob were my focus suppose to be,he should not be a problem
@eva It was your link I have read. Thank you, I really likes his review.
Ha ha good morning ladies, not much sleep and I have to go work.
I take Robsessed with my morning coffee, with lunch, dinner, my glass of wine, my night cup. You are my world now.
Have a beautiful whatever.
Like, like How am I gonna function today?
I've got a question for you girls. If you don't like MR why then spend money to go and see what most of you think will be a bad movie? Why not just stick to the books and make the movie up in your minds?
MR has done a great job so far! It's her job to put into action what Stephenie put down on paper.
I don't think anyone of us would be capable of half of the work she done.
She's human, not a machine. It's obvious that she puts down her point of view when adapting the books.
I wouldn't want her job for all the money of the world. The pressure she must be facing is unbearable.
I don't know. I just find it easy to always critisize.
Without those people, whether it be MR or Katryn Hardiwicke, no Edward, so no Rob... If think we could show a little more support!
It was the same before New Moon and everybody enjoyed it. Now it's Eclipse and we've only seen a few minutes.
For all we know, the clips we've seen and just cut-out sequences.
So let's be patient and give RM and David Slade a chance....
@jazz-girl ITA. And I agree that it's very hard to adapt books for movies. Not all of MR's work has been bad sofar but frankly not really brilliant either. I haven't given up on the saga - yet - but it's mainly because of the cast. I find the dialogue is sometimes really appalling. I've read one Eclipse script and it seems really pretty close what I've seen in all the trailers and clips sofar. And some of the dialogue in it makes me cringe. Really. I remember hearing Rob say in a recent interview that he found some of his lines were just impossible (because they were so bad - so awfully cheesy - he hinted at that so very clearly). I can understand the shortcuts and adaptations, as long as you stick to the spirit of the book, that's OK by me. But I can't understand the terrible dialogue we seem get more and more often in this series. Bad dialogue can totally ruin a good film. Just my POV though...
hi dina and sis,i have nothing against MR,because i read eclipse 8times and to be honest lots of things i cannot recall,you some fans can tell you every word each character says no me i however remember when bella and jacob kissed and then when edward came back he read jacob's mine and at that point i hated bella because the only time i really was okay with bella was when she becamed a vam and she stop have that whatever she felt for jacob and dina robsessed is the best
I thaught I'm used to Rob's sound structure by now but apparently this was a tough one. Thank you guys for posting his words for non-englist-as-main-language-speaking people :)
@solas
you said everithing,, I am with you.
and just cannot wait for Eclipse...I am too excited...
oh.and about MTV movie awards, strange why they always saying shit about who Bella is going to choose... For me, it's nonsense...
I am always hopeful with each movie that Summit will make it better and they have . I spend money on Twilight because I enjoy it. I enjoy the books greatly and want to enjoy the movies too. So far the most I have gotten out of the movies is my appreciation for Rob. I feel the scripts are cheesy and choppy. The characters lack emotion and the wigs, makeup and contacts have been lame. So, yes I worry and complain about the Twilight movies but I also celebrate them too. Sorry but this is a huge franchise and as a fan I have expectations and the movies have been a little weak.I am glad to watch them because I like Rob and Twilight. Did I mention I like Rob.
LOL deelight--I believe you did mention that, yes. ;-)
wow--acullengirl--that sounds so cool--I never knew one could rent out a theatre like that!
evangeline-- I was not the one who was mad at Bella--if anything, I am not happy with the way they are emphasizing Jacob as a contender. And I certainly did not hate Bella or think of herself as a slut. I understand her behaviour and motivations. I don't think Edward is too good for her at all. In fact, a big part of the problem of New Moon and the ensuing conflict and pain was as a result of Edward's well-meaning but inappropriate need to control Bella nd her life. Sure, it was supposedly to protect her, but it also had an udnerlying idea of his own problems facing who and what he was. Even though painful for himself as well, it was easier to walk away and rationalize it was all for Bella and her safety, than to deal with the problems their relationship itself faced. Once he left, and not only left but left Bella with the impression that she wasn't good enough for hm, the door was opened for her to not totally fall for someone as she did for Edward, because he was her one true love, but at least to seek comfort and some companionship with someone else, possibly someone with whom a normal life might be easier.
So Edward has to deal with the consequences of his attitude and actions.
Evangeline--as for your questions about changing the scripts as Rob ages beyond the character's age: i know nothing about the film industry; AP and Nik are the experts on that. I will say, though, that 1- even on the stuff we have today of Rob (the interview before the Eclipse Clip) he looks like he is 15, so he can still pull off that age; and 2- In many cultures, and I would think the native Americans in that era (1850s) are included, the children are adults in their teens, and appear older than we think of teens today. I have seen photos of teen warriors and soldiers of that time, and many look much more mature, and aged, than teens and young adults of today. Of course, to myself, the earth mother, they are all still children. ;-)
@Jazz_Girl317...I agree! I've had issues with MR's writing since Twilight, but at least CH directed with the excitement and intensity of new love. I saw in NM how MR made Jacob the sympathetic character, and it seems to repeat itself in Eclipse. I would love to see the love between E&B as well, but fear BD may be our only survivor...although MR may send Jacob on the honeymoon as well! Not holding my breathe on the outcome of Eclipse, but continue to support the love story.
Just a couple of things to say (read comments on my email and skipped on over here).
@Solas, smarty pants! MR wrote for Dexter?? I've never seen it, (don't have that cable channel) but hear on good authority that it's brilliant & need to check it out.
@Monique, yes I immediately thought of LOTRs as an obvious successful, amazing, adaptation. I'll add another one, which shows my age, Rosemary's Baby.
@Ana, never apologize for a rant, and your's was not one. Just your articulated opinion and a good one IMO.
Re. MR, she is not responsible (to my knowledge) for the story boarding, condensing of book scenes, etc, she is the one who writes the dialog, the words that brings the characters to life, hopefully retaining the spirit of the book and lifting verbatim here and there (which she did). She can also elevate the book material for the film medium. I just don't think she did very well. Funny, that one of the most famous phrases from Twilight, did not come from her, Rob chose it: "Hold on tight spider monkey!" Silly, but it worked.
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