"Remember Me" Spoiler Post

Here's your spoiler post for today. Talk to your hearts content about the movie in the comments here only.
Please don't post spoilers in any of the other threads. Thanks

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simone said...: @Solas
I feel the same way about hugs even if with my family members.

I'm still thinking about this show even after sleeping on it. Maybe because I feel like some bits of my life was found in the film, and the message of the story is making me feel something I've given up on - hopeful.

You don't have to lose someone to the gallows of death to feel the pain. I lost my dad when he became an alcoholic, so I could relate to Tyler and his emotionally-absent father. To have someone in your life but not a part of it. And sometimes, it gets difficult because his daily presence is just a reminder of what you've lost. And even though I understand that the binge drinking was due economic depression that cost him his company, and that the alcohol was to blame for the violence inflicted, it was easier to paint him as the bad guy and be mad at someone/something tangible than to blame life and its circumstances.

And my brother is kind of like Tyler, he blames my parents for the things happening at home. At my dad for the beatings, at my mom for not leaving him, so he sits around at home in front of the computer all day. Not studying, not working, just bumming around because he feels that if he didn't ask to be born they should be responsible for his life and provide for him inconsequentially. And he's been ignoring me for over a year, not talking, not acknowledging my presence. He doesn't even open the door for me when I get home even when I don't have the key and he's the only person in the house. And even until now I have no idea what I did wrong since we weren't that close to begin with.

I used to feel all victimized and I keep blaming people for making me feel this terrible. But lately I'm coming to realize that I am the one who chose to let them affect me. I chose to dwell on the negatives of losing what I've always hoped for, and let that disappointment and anger drive my life.

Maybe it's part of my perfectionist streak that makes me feel unwilling to accept anything less that I hope for, but life isn't perfect. We can only go through it hoping that we have done at least one thing right by the ones we love, minimize the damages we inflict on others and nurse the scars that people give us, hoping it will heal someday.; March 18, 2010 at 9:09 PM
jessegirl said...: Thanks, Nancy.; March 18, 2010 at 10:17 PM
solas said...: Simone--Thank you; that was amazing to share. I apologize that I am not so brave; it leaves me feeling a little guilty that you have given so much and I so little. HOpefully I can give in other ways. I am always afraid that if I told others the horrors of my life, it would be too much for them; it is almost too much for myself, sometimes.
Not as an attack on yourself, but rather with intent of mending of psychobabble that has made its way into inflicting pain on others, I personally and professionally take exception to the idea that you are 'the one who chose to let them affect' you. People do affect us, words affect us, events affect us, politics, economics, weather, health or lack thereof, terrorists and suicides, all affect us, even when we don't invite it, let it, ask for it. ANd if we say they don't affect us, that we have gotten ourselves to the point where it does not affect us, then we are either in denial, numb, in shock, or not human, or perhaps more sadly, hardening our heart from pain and also from life. And I will tell you I have experienced that ALL. What you CAN choose, though, is how you will ultimately (maybe not immediately) respond, react and act to the stimuli (including human actions, words, and beyond human, and even inhumanity, etc)that affect us. We can choose to be negative or positive; bitter or sweet; make darkness into light or sit in the dark; to be constructive or destructive; to maintain relationships, mend them or rebuild them; to remain standing in the dung or shovel it out or just leave because the stench is too much.; March 18, 2010 at 10:26 PM
solas said...: And you know what? Sometimes other people ARE to blame! And sometimes we ourselves are the ones to blame. But we don't have to blame others or ourselves forever. Blame and guilt have their purposes--to recognize wrong done to or by ourselves, and then we have to move on--to fix the wrongs we have done, to keep away from those who continue to wrong us unless we can mend the cycle (and you need cooperation for that), look for and find the good in ourselves and in others.
As for hope-- I think we have to season it with logic, and also not dismiss everything else in life whlst aiming for a specific thing or relationship or feeling. I have done this, and have wasted years of experiences I could have just enjoyed. I don't believe in the philosophy of 'living for (or in) the moment' ALONE, but I have learned the hard way that the opposite--ALWAYS looking for and toward a better future, whilst ignoring or dismissing the present, also is not wise, and is a sad waste. Like most things, the middle road, or a blend, is the best: to be aware of the future and what we want and the steps to achieve it and to make those steps; to be aware of needs and realities of the future and how our actions in the present affect them (like saving to have comfort later on rather than pissing it all away now; like not drinking a lot now, even though it is fun, because alcohol does irreversible damage and destruction to brain cells and to the liver and will make old age and even middle age hell; like not smoking now even though it might relax you, because smoking is absolute poison to the body and its terrible effects, gasping for breath, aging too soon, dying too soon, will come out later; etc).--to be aware of all that, yet to still enjoy, savour the present.
Last (because I see this is so long, and I apologize for the length):I agree partially (there is so much more) with what you said toward the end of your posting:"We can only go through it hoping that we have done at least one thing right by the ones we love, minimize the damages we inflict on others" but I do not agree with the latter part: "and nurse the scars that people give us, hoping it will heal someday."
For sure we have to nurse and care for the wounds until they scar over, but hoping they will heal is not enough; we have to do something to heal ourselves when no one else will. There is a parable of a king who had a large and beautiful mirror that unfortunately developed a crack. He was upset about the now apparent worthlessness of the mirror, until a craftsman came forward and etched out from the crack a stem, then a rose, etc, until the mirror not only was no longer damaged, it became a beautiful work of art and was even more prized than before. On either side of the rose, one could still see one's reflection, but now there was the beauty of the rose to give beauty to the mirror itself.
If you would like to 'talk' via email, please do: solas18@aol.com.; March 18, 2010 at 10:27 PM
Nancy said...: @jesse,
Thanks girl... love you so much. Got your replies.; March 18, 2010 at 10:46 PM
Nancy said...: meeting up with Suzy from HA... hehehe We're not far from each other. Can't wait. She checks this site daily but doesn't do the comments section....But loves the Pictures and whatever else the girls send us.

I'll let her know about us...the bloggers... and NB's... Oh well. we are such diehard Rob fans....
FILTM; March 18, 2010 at 10:50 PM
jessegirl said...: Yes, welcome Rita. I admire anyone who learns another language!

What you said about Tyler's sense of peace. Weirdly, that's the most heartbreaking thing of all to me. Just when he's 'got it', or was on the road, when his face relaxes in that peace, that's when he dies.

I think HIS soul will be fine. He was on the path to healing. And, because of him, so were some of his family and friends. He made a difference in their lives, was significant, no matter what Ghandi said.

But, despite that, his family now suffers again. It is different that Michael, (bookended deaths): it is absolutely more poignant though. They will miss him with every fibre of their beings.

When my son died he was on the cusp of manhood, growing by leaps and bounds intellectually and it was such a pleasure to engage him in discussions about weighty issues. He was so enthusiastic and a profound thinker.

He was a peace-maker, an old soul (like I believe Rob is, which is why I think my feeling of one-way connection runs so deep). My son was admired and loved by all his friends for his laughter--which I will never hear again--his open-mindedness, his fairness, his integrity and so much else. Well, he was authentic, genuine, like Rob.

Solas, I guarantee if my son had put his arm around you, you would have loved it. He was a healer that way. (Sorry, I presume too much, but I'd like to think that was the case.) My son, all 6'2" of him, would embrace male and female friends with his warmth.

God, to be the one who remains, left behind, and to lose that. It sounds maudlin and presumptuous, but my son was an angel on earth.

When you've known such a one, the loss rips your being. And you know the loss is supposed to teach you something but you don't want to learn. You just want him back.

So when Tyler looks out that window and the camera zooms out so that there will be no mistake as to his fate, all I can think--selfishly, I know--is that I want him back. It's fucking heart-breaking.

So, Rita, even though Tyler was at peace when doom came to him, this is exactly when his loved ones would miss him most. They would know the depth of Tyler, of what they would miss the rest of their lives.; March 18, 2010 at 10:57 PM
solas said...: Jesse, thank you agan for sharing. Perhaps if I had gotten to know your son, I would have been able to handle his hug, and given him one as well.

If he was indeed an ancient soul, it is possible he came around this time and plane for a short time, to accomplish something, or perhaps even to touch you and others in the way he did. May his memory be a blessing.; March 18, 2010 at 11:17 PM
jessegirl said...: Oh Simone, your circumstances, I can't begin to know, your brother, mother, father. I heart you.

I agree with Solas though that people do affect us, Simone. It is up to us to choose how to respond, but--no one might agree with me here--sometimes engaging the dark side, or living thoroughly inside it for a time, is something we are meant to do. Not explaining it clearly and it is far more complicated. I certainly don't mean embracing evil, but rather honouring pain.

For example, the film is called Remember Me for a reason. Tyler's life had to count for something, and its impact on others had to be felt by them. His loss--and yes, there are other kinds of losses besides death, like the sad ones in your family--could not be swept away by.

The pain of grieving the loss of a relationship must be acknowledged. Losing Tyler, losing my son, losing your father and brother.

I think that's why in my first viewing I rather resented the progress the survivors had made in the final montage. Again, not explaining myself well. For me, remembering is paramount and in that way the film had it right.

You honour the memory of the beloved with stones, rituals, reverent acts, but also with your pain. If Tyler hadn't mattered, if my son hadn't mattered, the pain would recede. And perhaps it is the purpose of the pain to make you a better person.

Oh Solas, what a wonderful reply to Simone. And long posts are necessary when tackling something so weighty as Simone's. So, even if you can't share your personal story, you contribute so much here, to everyone. Besides, it is your prerogative, and perhaps wisely, to keep it to yourself.

I rather think my recent 'revelations' might not serve much more than a selfish purpose, but my excuse is the movie. All THAT came from this movie. It's incredible!; March 18, 2010 at 11:31 PM
solas said...: Jesse, I did not find you selfish at all, and I think what you revealed, as painful as it is, helped give another perspective to what we originally came ot this post for, to discuss the movie, as well as another opportunity to reveal the beauty and strength and realness and capacity to love and care, even those we do not know face to face, in those who post here and come here out of admiration and concern for a lad we have not yet met.; March 18, 2010 at 11:45 PM
jessegirl said...: Have fun, Nancy. I, like your friend, 'lurked' here a good long time before joining the fray.

And the pictures. Oh yeah, man, whatever else Rob is, he is the most heavenly eye candy ever created. I'm embarrassed to say how many photos are in my picture files.; March 18, 2010 at 11:47 PM
jessegirl said...: Solas, you're making me cry.
In a good way.; March 18, 2010 at 11:50 PM
solas said...: I never mean to cause pain, but if your tears are in a good way, then good.
And I must get some sleep; a good kind safe sane night to all on my side of the planet, and good kind safe sane day to those just waking.; March 19, 2010 at 12:20 AM
Nancy said...: @Rita, you are doing fine. your English is okay.; March 19, 2010 at 1:20 AM
Nancy said...: @whyistherumalwaysgone, what is the short version????? Not a great name but everyone thinks Johnny Depp.... DUH {okay, I do}

Yea, Heard Rob's version at the London Premiere too. It is correct. Heartbreaking and Heartwarming at the same time kind of sums it up. I totally agree with you and Rob..... He is my idol, heartthrob. whatever.
FILTM; March 19, 2010 at 1:32 AM
simone said...: @Solas and jessegirl
Thanks for the different takes.. Personally I find it harder to talk about these things even to my friends and family, but with writing it just comes easier to me. And maybe it's because of the fact that we most probably won't see each other in person that makes it easier to put aside some of those walls I've been building up around me.

Maybe I didn't re-read my post carefully before putting it up, but I was actually trying to make a similar point like what you guys are talking about with regards of choice. It's kind of why I fell in love with Twilight and Edward, he's always making a conscious choice to keep Bella alive despite the temptation. I guess what I wanted to say was that I chose to let the pain consume me, cripple me to the extent that I distanced myself from people. I'm in my 3rd year of university and I didn't bother to make any friends, not even with project group mates or lab partners. I stopped going to church, don't have any other activities, I basically closed off most of my social circles to the extreme because it was easier to not let new people into my life with the chaos the old ones are making.

Sometimes after living with pain for so long it can be addictive. To me it sometimes feels like its the only emotion I know, and I guess to a certain extent I felt like I deserved it since I wasn't treating my dad with any more civility like what my brother was doing to almost everyone. Or maybe I'm just not brave enough to step out of my comfort zone, even if it's like a war zone with fights and quarrels sometimes literally thrown all over the place.

I just realized after reading your posts that the film also depicted the beauty of pain. After Ally's mom and Michael's deaths, they were all somehow crippled by the pain. But with Tyler's death, the pain helped them learn to embrace life in its entity. I may not be there yet, like I said, change doesn't turn on a dime. But I really am trying to remain hopeful. Usually when my dad gets home I would stay in my room so I wouldn't have to see him. But last night I went downstairs on purpose, said "hi, dad" [I had to practice it in the toilet for a minute and tell myself not to chicken out] while looking at him. And this morning I did the same thing, greeting him good morning and goodbye, answered his question. It doesn't sound like much, but I'm going to take baby steps.

And only now I realized Solas left her email at the bottom of her post. I shall post this anyway since it's typed out.; March 19, 2010 at 2:42 AM
violet said...: Hello everyone!

I've been lurking here and read all your comments because I need someone like me who couldn't stop replaying the movie over and over my head...it's been haunting me for days and I've wtched it 4 times in the theater already..in fact, after work, I look forward to seeing th movie again. Today I was so disappointed and thought I could share with you what happened. I was prepared to watch the film for the 5th time but it wasn't showing anymore in theaters here in Davao City, Philippines after only a week!THe movie opened here MArch 12 also like in the states..and only after a week..they changed picture already..now I searched high and low to watch it online but to no avAIL...so saddened and disappointed..wwanted to watch moooreee I couldn't get enough..; March 19, 2010 at 9:50 AM
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solas said...: Violet-- wow! I am sorry to hear you did not get to view it enough for your needs. Hopefully this thread, or other threads on the blog, will give you an avenue to think about the film and work it out.
At least you DID get to see it 4 times, and hopefully will get to see the DVD when it comes out.
I hope to see it a few more times at cinema if I can, and then will await the DVD.; March 19, 2010 at 10:17 AM
solas said...: Simone--I hope you will still look at this thread, even though it is buried so many days into the blog, as I do not have your email address to communicate with you privately.
I am sorry I misunderstood when you said you 'chose to let them affect' you. I understand very very well what it is to, as you wrote, close off most 'social circles to the extreme because it was easier to not let new people into my life with the chaos the old ones are making.'

I did this for a very long time, not so much out of pain, and not because I find pain addictive (I don't; I try to avoid pain at all costs!) but because I was like a wounded animal hiding out in a cave, not trusting anyone enough to not hurt my children or myself; not having the skills or wisdom to know how to deal with what was inflicted upon us, how to make it better, how to live in the world that can cause such pain and horror and escape that part, or at least protect us from that all. I CHOSE to hide out from the world and just try to heal our wounds and protect us; I CHOSE safety from harm over engaging in the world, no matter what pleasures were also to be found there. I was not a psychologist then, although I had a lot of the information and background from coursework and reading, yet what happened to us was way beyond what I had learned and I simply did not know how to deal with it all in a helpful healthy way- and even if I HAD been a psychologist back then (I was only about 23, with 3 babies)I am not sure it would have helped because we can see others' pain, and how to deal with it, better than we can see what to do with ourselves; we need more objectivity to look at a situation than we ourselves can give to ourselves. Unfortunately, because it wasn't a real cave, and because the real world was still demanding, I could not protect my children enough, and so we continued to be hurt, and did not get to fully heal, even so many years later, even after psychologists and other counseling; it took our getting away from the beast long term enough, and persistence in my nurturing nature, to really start healing. Yet, we are better now than we were then, even better than a few years ago; step by step is the way to go. It is like peeking out of one's cave to make sure the beasts are not lurking, and each day making a few steps more away into the cave before retreating back to it. And if a beast is seen, it can bring us back to the cave and the need to start all over again. It is self-preservation. And yes, those baby steps require practice sometimes.
I love that you are making the baby steps, that the movie inspired you to go forward and perhaps break through the pain cycle to live more fully. I SOOO wish that those that made the film- Will, Rob, Alan, the producers, even the other actors- could read these posts and know how this film affected and changed people, even if just opening dialogue.
I do hope you can email me if you wish; I do not use the computer (or any electricity) from Friday afternoon/evening before Sundown until Saturday night an hour after sundown, so I will not see responses or comments here after a certain time today.
I give my email not just to Simone, but to any kind soul who wishes to communicate. I would be wlling to go more into detail about some of what I have experenced, if it will help someone.
So please write if you like.
Solas18@aol.com; March 19, 2010 at 10:21 AM
jessegirl said...: Simone,
Wow, congratulations on your baby steps. How hard that must be for you.
I know what you mean about perhaps becoming addicted to pain, and the pains we have experienced can burrow into your soul and take residence there, to one's detriment. I am, I think, too close to know whether my own pain is like yours, Solas, whether it is like what I previously described, or whether I'm using it in an unhealthy way.

Simone and Solas,
I'm at work and can't comment properly now but your words are something to ponder, deserve a more considered response; I just don't know if I have one, exept to say I admire you both and am moved by your words.

Violet,
That's terrible, about RM being pulled from the theatres so quickly! That's one reason we all wanted a strong first weekend box office. I was afraid something like that might happen. Damn it.

I hope it doesn't happen where I live because I'm planning my next viewing too. What's to be done?
Complain to the theatres? How far will that get anyone?

I know few are still reading this thread--buried as it is--but does anyone know what we can do? Word-of-mouth takes a bit of time. If theatres are pulling it before giving it a fighting chance I'm really worried. Complaints in the right quarters? Where would that be? I might express this in a newer post, in case any of you have more ideas to keep this baby in the game until word spreads.; March 19, 2010 at 10:39 AM
solas said...: I wish I knew, Jesse. I will go to the facebook Remember Me page and see if there is anything that we can do.; March 19, 2010 at 10:50 AM
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Rita said...: Jessegirl, now you making me cry... I'm so sorry for your loss... I truly am...
Yes, I guess you're right, the ones who stay behind always carry the weight (the pain, the lost), don't they?
But at least he (Tyler) was in peace, there must be some solace in that fact. Isn't there?
It must sound selfish, maybe even stupid, but when I go I want to feel that sort of peace... To know I did the best I could with what life gave me... that the people I've loved knew that I loved them, and that I knew they loved me back.

And by the way don´t admire me too much 'cos portuguese is my first language and english we learn in school, not such a big accomplishment :); March 19, 2010 at 2:25 PM
jessegirl said...: Rita,
Thanks. Well I learned French and some German in school but I couldn't write in either language the way you do here in English. I still admire you.
Yes, that's a good goal for the end of one's life. It is not selfish at all.

There is solace in Tyler's specific end because he was at peace, you're right. Had that part of the story been different, Tyler's death would have been that much harder to bear. As my son's was, because I don't know if he was at peace--no answers. He did not commit suicide--that I know--but I will plead privacy on the rest.

And thanks, Solas, for doing the Facebook thing. You'll notice I pasted my comment about this on two of the newest posts, and I'll stop there. Have a good day off.; March 19, 2010 at 2:37 PM
Rita said...: Jessegirl, thank you, if for nothing else for sharing your story (whatever little part of it). You are admirable, not me.
Sharing your heart is way more difficult that writting in a foreign language.
I know this can't count for much but tonight you and your son will be in the thoughts of a 32 years old nutcase from the other side of the sea (I'm presuming you're american).

Fica bem (stay safe).; March 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Marna said...: I was thinking about RM, & realized I didn't remember seeing the scene where Rob runs after Ally in the park. Am I having brain cell loss, or was that scene not in the movie? I remember how many videos there were of the filming it, & everybody was excited to see Rob run, & I don't remember it at all.; March 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM
WhyIstheRumAlwaysGone said...: Ladies!
Check this article I've found on
http://www.rememberme-film.com/
You need to go and read this!
Quoting:
Bryan Reesman writes a must read article that takes a look at the controversy swirling
around Remember Me.
“Remember Me”: Stirring Up Controversy And Emotions
by Bryan Reesman
Yesterday I submitted an essay to Moviefone about the ... new film Remember Me, directed by
Allen Coulter, written by Will Fetters and starring Robert Pattinson (Twilight) and Emilie
de Ravin (Lost). A topical Moviefone story can often pull in one or two dozen comments.
Some have topped 100. This one reached 300 within 12 hours of being posted. At one point
last night, I was literally receiving one comment per minute, and during one hour alone,
the post received 78,000 views, easily making it the post of the night and landing it a top
spot on AOL’s main page.

Direct link to the article:
http://www.bryanreesman.com/blog/2010/03/16/remember-me-stirring-up-controversy-and-emotions/; March 19, 2010 at 6:33 PM
jessegirl said...: Thanks for the thoughts, Rita.

Marna, oh yes, I too remember all the many paps shots of Rob--beige long-sleeved shirt and jeans--wonkily running to Ally and her girlfriend. I also remember lots of shots on the street: Rob's wearing that NY bill cap, grey tee and jeans and Tate is there too.

Maybe the DVD extras?
Oh please let's have lots of DVD extras.

I feel funny now looking at all those many street photos of Rob, some rehearsing a scene, some just coming out of his trailer flanked by burly bodyguards.
One cute one of him walking beside Ruby, with bodyguard behind them, where she is lock step with Rob.

Some more where he's wearing this blue short-sleeved shirt, which is blowing off-course and we see that tantalizing wedge of skin, his briefs' and his happy trail. That shot was the most erotic thing I'd seen in a good long while.
Just sayin'; March 19, 2010 at 9:58 PM
Marna said...: thanks jessegirl, I was worried that I somehow missed the entire scene, I wonder why they took it out of the movie? I wonder what it was about? After seeing it so many times, I think of it as being part of the movie, & the poor girl who is walking with Ally had her entire part cut from the movie.; March 19, 2010 at 10:28 PM
violet said...: hi!

jessegirl-thanks for sharing your story about your son...i like this site because it's so cathartic..and to think I'm at the opposite side of the world..I live in the Philippines, I assume you're AMerican ;-) but guess what...I went to a theatre in the mall far from where I live and discovered Remember ME was still showing there and so! I went to see it for the 5th time hahahaha! I still get teary-eyed towards the end everytime...now I'm sitting in my room conversing with you guys while I download the youtube to watch the behind scenes of the movie...I'm telling these to you only cuz my friends might think I've gone really crazy...my 8 yr old and 10 yr old sons' been teasing me about it already ;-); March 20, 2010 at 7:16 AM
violet said...: solas- thanks for sharing your story too..keep them coming!;-); March 20, 2010 at 7:18 AM
jessegirl said...: Violet,
I'm so glad you found another place to watch the movie!
Yeah, my husband thinks I'm nuts. But it's a good kind of nuts.

We've been commenting galore on other sites with better reviews and if you haven't visited them, do.; March 20, 2010 at 8:34 PM
violet said...: hi!

jessegirl- which site?can u send me the link?thanks ;-); March 21, 2010 at 3:04 AM
jessegirl said...: Violet:
Well, they've both been posted here too, in newer threads.

1) www.cinematical.com
"Post-Movie Coffee, by Monika Bartyzel. Good comments here too.

2)www.ropeofsilicon.com
Interview with Will Fetters by Brad Brevet.
There are about 190 comments here now.
We're hoping the screenwriter of RM, Will Fetters, reads the comments here, and maybe Rob and Allen too, because Will was crushed by the venom spewed at him and we want him to know what the film really means to those who matter, the viewers.

Go, comment, Violet!; March 21, 2010 at 8:48 PM
solas said...: jesse--I saw Remember Me again today, and there was a fairly goodsized audience, with interesting composition: a lot of men, albeit mostly with women; large groups of adults coming together, middle aged couples.
I am wondering if some people are not being swayed by the initial trashings, and are seeing some possibilities to consider viewing the movie.
I LOVE this movie. I know I am not sophisticated as far as movies go, but I am a fairly intelligent person, and I am just so affected by and impressed with this film. It is so very different from anything out there, and since I don't like most of what is out there, that is a really good thing.; March 21, 2010 at 10:59 PM
WhyIstheRumAlwaysGone said...: @violet and everyone - Guys, I know I'm repeating myself, but you can also check this other article which I've also posted somewhere else (or maybe here! hard to keep track)
It's got 393 comments and many are beautiful and amazing!
http://insidemovies.moviefone.com/2010/03/15/
remember-me-ending-controversy/
It's called "Controversial 'Remember Me' Ending Dividing Critics and Audiences" by Bryan Reesman
You can also comment on RM on the Yahoo movies site, you will see that the viewers gave the movie a rating of A-!
There is definitely a good word of mouth and it's good to know that, even if it's probably not going to make the BO numbers soar. I wonder if RM is not going to turn into some kind of "cult movie"...; March 22, 2010 at 5:35 AM